France to vote non on EU constitution

[Lancer]

"What? These thieves, these arrogant crooks and con-men?" -Spif



Which really brings us right back to the French.

[Bereta_Eder]

see, now he;s happy

[DanS]

Spiffor: But what is written in the soon-to-be-rejected proposed constitution is not...

The constitution forces the countries to rearm, and the European common defense is strictly under the management of NATO.

[Pekka]

"A collective identity can be created with the appropriate cultural/symbolic policy"

Exactly. So it doesn't exist. This is the leftist dream that is completely BS. You want to create a unity that has one culture and dream. YOu have no appreciation for variety and that we don't need to have one single mind. We need to have different minds. That's why ultimately you are borderline racist. You want to assimilate everyone into being one big you.

Because the left thinks they know the best and for everyone, they don't in fact even need their choice so much, because some of them will choose against their own good anyway, the good you define, that is utlimately your own good, not the good of the rest of us.

One last time. Step aside and stop trying to limit my freedoms. YOu will never understand that we are nothing alike. Because basically what you guys are, you are the the good intention guys, unfortunately that way is paved to hell. BECAUSE ultimately you are against freedom and for collective this and that. It's anti-individula-choice by nature. You don't respect my freedom. You only respect your own ass, which paradoxally is what you claim you're not doing. Guess what, you are.

[Dinner]

You really can't have a deep rooted collective identity without a shared cultural and language background. English is the obvious choice but France seems to hate everything to do with English.

[Pekka]

like I said, this is leftist BS. Leftist in Europe have some common ideas, like every political 'brother' has with other countries equal. They call it the European Identity. Kind of like Republicans call themselves Patriots. European leftist call this BS, but when they do it, it's OK because it's 'true'.

They like to do what we call godwinizing in here all the time. They don't need to show anything, let alone bring stats. That's because the data is most often against them and show their poor performance. They just 'Euronize' everything. AND they think they should be able to decide for everyone else.

[Pekka]

What they feel is European Identity. 'We feel against war in iraq. We are also Europeans. Hey, this is common between us, and we also thinkg the European diplomatic way is better.. yes.. the EUROPEAN WAY'. These people have no idea what the **** they are talkign about. We migh as well lump OBL into Euro Identity and Russians. Why not Asians while we're at it, if they're against the US, they have European Identity.

No they don't.

Idiots.

[Bereta_Eder]

pekka they would love you at a talent show in alabama thw white house or someplace such

[Pekka]

I don't agree with you, I must be a redneck? Very leftist of you. I'm not leftist, I'm not right wing. I'm a person with brains who thinks, not a whore of any party or gang.

[Bereta_Eder]

You misunderstood me. I didn't characterize you as anything. I only said that in certain circles in the US your views would be very popular

[Pekka]

RIght. I'm of course speaking that individual choice, aka freedom, should be held high and that no political party/ideology should rule over my wish when it comes to what choices I can make.

Unfortunately that's not what you represent. You would be a popular speaker in the gulag world, it's a fun theme park in Siberia.

[Bereta_Eder]

Yes but what would be the audiences?

Just white bears and they can't understand unfreedom and undemocracy

[Pekka]

What ever. I know what you said even though you try to spin it around. Note that it says more about you than it says about me.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Pekka
What ever. I know what you said even though you try to spin it around. Note that it says more about you than it says about me.

So noted. But it really wasn't about you. Unless you think I associated you with either alabama or the white house. I just think that in places like that your views would be very popular and welcomed. That says about them more not about you. And it doesn't say anything really bad about them either.

[alva]

Originally posted by Pekka
"90% of the Europeans feel a closer bond to their national identity than to Europe. Among them, a half doesn't feel European at all (source: 2000)"

Sounds about right.

So what was the common identity? Do you realize it's ****ing impossible to have common identity? Do you realize we are different people from different cultures etc etc etc? WHAT - COMMON - IDENTITY?

Oh man, I get so fed up with statements like this. Are you then claiming that all Finns are alike, that you're all clones?