France to vote non on EU constitution

[Spiffor]

Re: Re: Re: France to vote non on EU constitution

Originally posted by DanS
I understand all of this, but wouldn't you agree that this is all rubbish?

They're not the reason I oppose the constitution to begin with (I reject the constitution ebcause it cannot be realistically amended).

However, I consider these statements to be extremely bad policies. And they desrve to be rejected

It has no basis in fact, so hence my .

Err, it does have basis in fact.

The Constitution affirms several time that the aim of the EU, among other things, is to create a common market where competition is undistorted. There have been several EU decisions recently that went brutally in this direction (the Bolkestein directive, the recent directive to privatize urban mass transit). The thatcherite agenda of the EU insitutions is pretty much blatant. The only interventionist policies of the EU are the legacies of the 70ies (CAP)

As for rearmement and NATO: it is part of the constitution.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Spiffor

I've heard the French possible non has triggered an actual debate in Greece (with a major demo saying "the French non is our non"). Is the debate any important in Greece, or is it solely in the hands of politicians?

Hmmm not really.... since the euroconstitution is ratified by the partliement (no referendum) and since there has been a sort of agreement on a wide arrey of the political spectrum tht EU interest and Greek interests coincide to a satisfactory extend, there hasnt been a large debate about it. however the communist party whos influence and voice far exxceeds its representation on the voting % does have objections and i wouldnt find it beyond it to have such a motto. personally i havent heard of it.

but there is interest about what the french are doing with the referendum. i think not only in greece but europe wide.

[Pekka]

No, I'm calling BS on you. Commies are POS and the plague of this world. And so is this coming constitution if it's not changed. Centre is not the elitists.. it's the left. Meaning they THINK they are the intellectual elite, restricting other peoples freedoms because they think they know better than people themselves. I'm glad to snuff any of those ****ers off with a big gun, or just choke them to death. Anti-freedom ****ers, in core, yes, 100%.

Just because you're a commie doesn't mean because you do ONE thing right makes you a good person. You still are bad human, but you're not the worst of commies, you're one of the good commies, which still makes you bad person but not a person I would kill.

[Lancer]

"I hate you Oregonians! "

Right, well we americans aren't really like that. We just hate people from New Jersey and California. Oregonians are universally loved.

[Bereta_Eder]

some americans tend to feel reassured of themselves if they think that europeans hate one another...

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Chirac should be a man and tie his political career to the vote, just like Charles de Gaulle did.

[Lancer]

"some americans tend to feel reassured of themselves if they think that europeans hate one another..."

I predict paiktis will one day change his tag to 'TurkLover'.

[Pekka]

Chirac has no honour. He just want to stay on his position, it actually doesn't mean if what he believes in is not happening, because he doesn't believe in anything except personal greed and anti-americanism, pro-france and anti-europe if it's not lead by him and his bandit of merry bastards and that's a fact for you people right there and it doesn't change if you cry 'well it's not so!' .. it IS.

[Bereta_Eder]

they're not in europe

[Lancer]

Who in europe do the Germans love?

What nation does the French love?

In fact does any nation in europe love the French?

[Bereta_Eder]

again you;re very simplistic in your approach

[Lancer]

"they're not in europe "

Wrong! However they wouldn't be if the Greek military thought for one sec that they could take them.

Don't get me wrong paiktis, you know my sentiments are pro Greek in this matter.

Greece love the Albanians, yes?

[Pekka]

no we hate the ****ers.

The question is who we don't mind, or only hate them little enough to still be able to cooperate realistically.

The European Super Love Unity is something the leftists wants to believe in. Typical of them really. 'BUT IT'S A NICE THOUGHT! DON'T YOU WANT THAT?'. SUre. But it's not true. I tend to live in the REAL world. Another reason why leftists are the plague of this world. And no, democrats are not leftists in my book.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

and the turks too.

[Bereta_Eder]

it's not a question of love but of a growing sense of a common identity.
of course it has different shades in different countries.
for example in the UK you will find it underdeveloped. In most of the other original 15 countries though more developed.