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  • #46
    Originally posted by Ted Striker



    According to the Memo that was approved by the White House, fixed positions are legal, and the memo was specifically prepared by Alberto Gonzales for the War on Terror, before anyone ever stepped foot in Iraq.
    And the connection to the faulty story from Newsweek is ?
    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

    Steven Weinberg

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    • #47
      Because of the past f uckups of the US regarding torture:

      1) Abu Gharib

      2) Guantanamo -- holding innocents without charging them

      Our credibility in the Muslim world has pretty much been trashed. So when they heard the story, of course they believed it, as we've done far worse things already, they weren't suprised to hear the story.

      That memo set a policy and that policy is why these stupid things have happened.

      The link is clear as day to see.
      We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Oerdin




        Let the unsupported conspiracy theories commence.
        Better not, next thing you know we start saying some guys from Soudi Arabia flew into the twin towers

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Ted Striker


          IT IS 100% relavent to the topic at hand and is directly related to the story.
          It is precicely 0 % relevant to the topic of the OP and has no relation to the story execpt geography.
          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

          Steven Weinberg

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          • #50
            The ones who have accused gitmo torture are saying stress positions, which definitely IS torture, one of the most famous and oldest forms of it. To debate if it is torture or not is freaking ****** debate and shows what spinning can do to weak minds. Anything from static pain to .. well to anything is considered torture when it lasts long. A test of static pain is easy. Take heavy bags into both hands. Now don't let them down. Put 30 pounds of each of the bags and hold them for 20 minutes straight. Can't do it? Don't move. Don't twitch. Hold them. Your arms start hurting and you feel like your joints will come out of their place? Fingers are seriously getting streched and it feels like you have knives in your hands? This is the moment where I come and strap those babies in your hand so you can't let them down and make you stay in that position. Back starts hurting? Bro we got few hours to go.... or more, who knows. Here, put a hood over your head so you don't have too much of your senses working. Here, here's some ear plugs, so you won't hear too much or see too much. Great way to loose the sense of time. Oh you think you've been there for half a day? It's just 30 minutes bro, keep on going. We haven't even started with the STRESS POSITIONS yet, the next level of this game.

            If they are used or not, that I don't know. There are claims, sure. If it's true or not, I don't know. But these practices are DEFINITELY torture and one fo the worst forms of it, and extremely physical. You ever seen people walk funny? Some torture victims have pains that never leaves, just from stress positions. Some of them walk funny, because their.. ... how do you say it.. 'motorics' are ****ed up after that crap done long enough. Etc etc etc.
            In da butt.
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            • #51
              It's only irrelevent to you because you can't see the big picture. This is not an isolated incident that "just happened for no reason."

              Originally posted by Ted Striker
              Because of the past f uckups of the US regarding torture:

              1) Abu Gharib

              2) Guantanamo -- holding innocents without charging them

              Our credibility in the Muslim world has pretty much been trashed. So when they heard the story, of course they believed it, as we've done far worse things already, they weren't suprised to hear the story.

              That memo set a policy and that policy is why these stupid things have happened.

              The link is clear as day to see.
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Ted Striker
                Because of the past f uckups of the US regarding torture:

                1) Abu Gharib

                2) Guantanamo -- holding innocents without charging them

                Our credibility in the Muslim world has pretty much been trashed. So when they heard the story, of course they believed it, as we've done far worse things already, they weren't suprised to hear the story.

                That memo set a policy and that policy is why these stupid things have happened.

                The link is clear as day to see.
                The topic of the thread ISN'T about how the muslim world read the story - it is about the bad quality of the newsweek research of the story.

                I know It's Oerdins thread, but I think he will agree.
                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                Steven Weinberg

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Ted Striker
                  It's only irrelevent to you because you can't see the big picture. This is not an isolated incident that "just happened for no reason."
                  If the theme of the thread was torture, yes, it would be true, but the issue are the false history in newsweek and how it got printed.
                  With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                  Steven Weinberg

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by atawa
                    Better not, next thing you know we start saying some guys from Soudi Arabia flew into the twin towers
                    Unlike your previous post that actually has some evidence to back it up.
                    Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                    • #55
                      BlackCat: This will continue for as long as you wish it to and Ted will still not see the point.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #56
                        Are all Danish on this forum inlisted in the thread police?

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Oerdin


                          Unlike your previous post that actually has some evidence to back it up.
                          It has? Please explain

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by atawa
                            Are all Danish on this forum inlisted in the thread police?

                            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by atawa
                              Are all Danish on this forum inlisted in the thread police?
                              No, some Americans too. I would have commented in this thread if it had remained on topic, but unfortunately the back seat activists have turned it into an American bashing thread.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by atawa
                                Are all Danish on this forum inlisted in the thread police?
                                Nah, take a look at

                                Apolyton Civilization Site
                                http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=133519


                                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                                Steven Weinberg

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