Accounting is the most lucrative non-science/engineering degree

[Asher]

Originally posted by GePap
So your arguement is not based on the nature of the degree, but the behavior of admissions departments? Wow, stellar arguement.

How many times can you miss the patently obvious point? You need to take more science courses to form an analytical mindset, this is embarrassing for you...

Oh, and I am still interested in the answer to my question: would a person with an engineering degree what happened to get a liberal arts degree before expected ot make more than someone who just studied engineering? casue your point seems to based simply on year counting.

Based on my anecodtal evidence, no, you would not earn more.

I work with a team of people who have both English degrees and computer science, they're in the same salary bracket as the people with just compsci...

[GePap]

Originally posted by Asher
It doesn't matter if you take 6 years to do a 4-year program, that's not the point.

So whats the difference of a BA in 6 and a Law degree in 6? (you can finish a great variety or BA's in 3 years, especially with AP credits)

The point is it's not a fair comparison -- you're comparing someone with 4 years of schooling to someone with 7 years of schooling. It's a corrupt comparison on its face, it should not be included in this list.

If the years of study is all you care about, adress the rather simple comparison above.

[Asher]

Originally posted by GePap
So whats the difference of a BA in 6 and a Law degree in 6? (you can finish a great variety or BA's in 3 years, especially with AP credits)

Your salary?

Again, it doesn't matter how long it takes you to do a 4-year or 7-year degree. What matters is the content in that degree, not how fast you do it. The "4-year" BA/BSc description is a standardized amount of content you learn, while lawyers spend an additional 3 on top of there.

Some may do it faster, some may do it slower. That does. not. matter.

If the years of study is all you care about, adress the rather simple comparison above.

It's the years of study of the program...

Jesus... .

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by GePap


So your arguement is not based on the nature of the degree, but the behavior of admissions departments? Wow, stellar arguement.

Yet again, you misunderstand. I don't think that law degrees are useless. I think that arts degrees are generally useless. If somebody goes into arts with the intention of getting a law degree then they have 7 years of full-time education to look forward to. If somebody goes into engineering or sciences with the intention of getting a bachelor's degree then they have 4 years of full-time education to look forward to.

Therefore, if somebody fresh out of high school were basing their decision on earnings and the amount of work required to get there it would make sense to compare the earnings of somebody holding a master's degree in engineering or science with somebody holding a law degree. I'm afraid I can't make it any simpler for you than that.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Asher

It's a retarded point made by people who are missing the point.

This is a comparison of 4 years of schooling at the Bachelor's Degree level.

If you want, there can also be an 8-years of schooling comparison including Lawyers, Doctors, and PhDs in Engineering. But that's not what this list is.

I don't care what their title is.

Actually, GePap does have a point with regards to law, even though he seems to have completely missed the point that I was backing him up. An LLB is considered an undergraduate degree. Take a look at most university websites (McGill is good example). Entrance requirements are two years of undergrad, just like most majors. It has only become a "graduate" degree because of the level of competition to get into most law schools. Without this competition, however, you would theoretically have five years worth of schooling to complete an LLB, not eight, nor would you have more than one degree at the end of it. Also, I'm not aware of any universities that consider an LLB to be a graduate program or students within it to be part of a graduate students' society or whatever equivalent organization there may be.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Asher

How many times can you miss the patently obvious point? You need to take more science courses to form an analytical mindset, this is embarrassing for you...

And yet you say the following:

Based on my anecodtal evidence, no, you would not earn more.

I work with a team of people who have both English degrees and computer science, they're in the same salary bracket as the people with just compsci...

What exactly then did the extra years of schooling achieve for the people who got English degrees beforehand, given that they decided in the end to go into the field of computer science and thus had to get that degree?

The chart is one of earning power- which is based solely on the type of degree, NOT on "years or schooling".

So the question is, what kind of degree is it? Obviously it is wrong to compare PhD's to non-PhD's. BUt a law degree is NOT A PHD. That has already been made clear by Krazyhorse. IN Fact, a law degree is not even a Master's degree.

IN fact, to make the chart trully accurate, they should also include technical degrees, like Auto repair and so forth, to compare their starting salaries on average.

[Asher]

Kontiki: You're arguing semantics.

The point is, 4 years after you graduate from high school, what degree will get you the best starting salary?

That is what this survey is about.

It doesn't make sense to include Law if it requires 7 years.

[Asher]

Originally posted by GePap


What exactly then did the extra years of schooling achieve for the people who got English degrees beforehand, given that they decided in the end to go into the field of computer science and thus had to get that degree?

My understanding is they couldn't get a job with an English degree.

They write technical documentation and books now, by the way.

The chart is one of earning power- which is based solely on the type of degree, NOT on "years or schooling".

Do you really get a Bachelors degree in Law?

So the question is, what kind of degree is it? Obviously it is wrong to compare PhD's to non-PhD's. BUt a law degree is NOT A PHD. That has already been made clear by Krazyhorse. IN Fact, a law degree is not even a Master's degree.

A law degree is not a 4-year bachelor's degree. I thought I quoted from the site about what's included?

IN fact, to make the chart trully accurate, they should also include technical degrees, like Auto repair and so forth, to compare their starting salaries on average.

Those are not degrees.

[KrazyHorse]

There were 2 people without undergraduate degrees in the law department at McGill when I was there for undergrad.

Although it's not formally listed as an entrance requirement it has basically become one.

Law without a prior Bachelor's degree is not a viable alternative for any but a very small minority of students. The same is true of medicine without a prior Bachelor's degree (though at least there were 15 or so premeds per year)

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Asher
Kontiki: You're arguing semantics.

The point is, 4 years after you graduate from high school, what degree will get you the best starting salary?

That is what this survey is about.

It doesn't make sense to include Law if it requires 7 years.

Actually, I was kinda arguing this:

Originally posted by Krazyhorse
No, it's a graduate degree. Just like a PhD is.

Duh.

Do you want to continue making a fool of yourself?

[GePap]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Yet again, you misunderstand. I don't think that law degrees are useless. I think that arts degrees are generally useless. If somebody goes into arts with the intention of getting a law degree then they have 7 years of full-time education to look forward to. If somebody goes into engineering or sciences with the intention of getting a bachelor's degree then they have 4 years of full-time education to look forward to.

Therefore, if somebody fresh out of high school were basing their decision on earnings and the amount of work required to get there it would make sense to compare the earnings of somebody holding a master's degree in engineering or science with somebody holding a law degree. I'm afraid I can't make it any simpler for you than that.

Actually, that is exactly what is wrong with that arguement:

Given that here in the US and in Canada (thought NOT in many parts of the world) if you want to study LAW and make your profession Law, as opposed to say Engineering, you need to take something in bachelors before you can move on to your required degree.

So the question should be: what is the staring salary for X professions at the point at which you have attained the basic degree necessary to carry that career out.

I wonder why the list leaves out degree's such as Chemistry, Physics, Mathematics, or Biology. Those are very popular degrees, yet nowhere on the list.

[Asher]

He was probably arguing about it in practice.

The vast, vast majority of people who go into Law do so after they get an undergrad degree.

I don't think it's important what it's classified as. The point is the chart is clearly about 4-year Bachelor degrees, which Law is not part of...

[GePap]

Originally posted by Asher
Those are not degrees.

You can get an Associates Degree

[Asher]

Originally posted by GePap
Actually, that is exactly what is wrong with that arguement:

Given that here in the US and in Canada (thought NOT in many parts of the world) if you want to study LAW and make your profession Law, as opposed to say Engineering, you need to take something in bachelors before you can move on to your required degree.

So the question should be: what is the staring salary for X professions at the point at which you have attained the basic degree necessary to carry that career out.

That is a different question entirely. That's not what this chart is about. This chart is about 4-year bachelor degrees, period.

I wonder why the list leaves out degree's such as Chemistry, Physics, Mathematics, or Biology. Those are very popular degrees, yet nowhere on the list.

I blame the ineptitude of journalist (damn liberal arts majors) for excluding that from CNN's chart, while the information was actually gathered.

[Asher]

Originally posted by GePap
You can get an Associates Degree

Those are called diplomas here, FWIW.

And I already quoted -- and in fact, bolded -- the source as saying the chart is for bachelor's degrees.

The chart is not a list of professions after any amount of schooling, it is starting salaries after obtaining a bachelor's degree.

Stop trying to spin it into something it's not to save your ass.

Law does not belong on here, medicine does not belong on here, auto mechanics do not belong on here.

Admit you're wrong, lick your wounds, move on back to your world of government beurocracy.