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    Tokyo Protests Anti-Japan Rallies in China

    TOKYO, April 10 - Japan lodged a formal protest against China on Sunday after violent anti-Japanese demonstrations in Beijing, even as marches in front of Japanese government offices and businesses widened to southern China.

    The Japanese foreign minister, Nobutaka Machimura, summoned the Chinese ambassador, Wang Yi, here on Sunday morning. Afterward, Mr. Wang said the Chinese government condemned the demonstrations on Saturday in which protesters threw rocks at the Japanese Embassy in Beijing and vandalized Japanese businesses.

    "We formally demanded China's apology and compensation," Mr. Machimura said after the meeting, adding that Mr. Wang had not apologized.

    As the two men talked, however, thousands of Chinese demonstrators reportedly marched on the Japanese Consulate in Guangzhou and staged anti-Japanese demonstrations in Shenzhen, both in southern China. The ptotests over the weekend were described by the news media here as the biggest anti-Japanese protests in China since diplomatic relations between the countries were normalized in 1972.

    The marches have set off a steep decline in the already troubled diplomatic relations between Asia's big powers and threatened to harm their important economic relationship. Japan has recently adopted a more assertive foreign policy, and its relations with South Korea have deteriorated as well, so the dispute with China could leave Japan isolated in Asia.

    Its simultaneous disputes with China and South Korea, two countries invaded and occupied by Japan, have been rooted in differences over the past, including the approval last week of Japanese junior high school textbooks that critics in and outside Japan say whitewash Japanese militarism. But the fight over the past has also crystallized into a fight over the future, as South Korea and China have each moved to oppose Japan's effort to win a permanent seat on an expanded United Nations Security Council.

    South Korea's ambassador to the United Nations, Kim Sam Hoon, recently said that "a country that does not have the trust of its neighboring countries because of its lack of reflection on the past" could not play the "role of a world leader." In China, the marchers were protesting Japan's effort to gain a Security Council seat as well as the textbooks.

    The Ministry of Education's approval of textbooks that contain significant revisions of painful historical events is one of a number of signs of a rightward shift here.

    The textbooks, for example, play down the issue of the so-called wartime comfort women, Asian women forced by the Japanese military to work as sex slaves, as well as the issue of Asians brought to Japan to be forced laborers.

    The new textbooks avoid mentioning any figures about the Nanking massacre in China, in which 100,000 to 300,000 Chinese were killed by Japanese soldiers.

    South Korea was particularly incensed that the textbooks categorically stated that islets claimed by both countries, called Takeshima here and Tokdo in South Korea, belonged to Japan and were illegally occupied by South Korea.

    In another point of contention, China has demanded that Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi of Japan stop visiting the Yasukuni Shrine, where war criminals are enshrined.

    China also condemned Japan for recently pledging to join the United States in defending Taiwan against China.

    Japanese politicians, however, have dismissed the complaints of China and South Korea, saying they are trying to exploit the past to keep Japan from claiming its rightful place in the world. Shinzo Abe, the acting secretary general of the governing Liberal Democratic Party, said Sunday that anger at social problems in China, including widening income gaps, was really behind the weekend marches.

    "Japan is an outlet to vent that anger," Mr. Abe said in an appearance on the "Sunday Project" television program.

    "Since the Tiananmen incident, these kinds of demonstrations were severely restricted, but the authorities tolerated these kinds of anti-Japanese gatherings, and the people themselves used these anti-Japanese marches," he said. "Because of the anti-Japanese education there, it's easy to light the fire of these demonstrations and, because of the Internet, it's easy to assemble a lot of people."

    China's and South Korea's complaints have only strengthened the hands of conservative politicians like Mr. Abe or Shintaro Ishihara, the governor of Tokyo, who take an unapologetic stance toward Japan's neighbors.

    Under Mr. Ishihara, whose views were regarded as extremist only a few years ago but are now mainstream, the Tokyo metropolitan government has for the second year punished teachers who refused to stand and sing "Kimigayo," the national anthem, a symbol of militarism to many inside and outside the country, or refused to force their students to do so. During this spring's graduation ceremonies, 53 such teachers were punished.

    In another telling sign of Japan's growing nationalism, Green Day, now celebrated on April 29, will almost certainly be renamed "Showa Day" soon to commemorate the birthday of the late Emperor Hirohito, who led Japan during its conquest of Asia and who is a revered symbol of Japanese rightists.

    The previously named Emperor's Day was changed to Green Day in 1989, after Hirohito's death, partly in consideration of Asian sensitivities. Two attempts in the last five years to rename the holiday for Hirohito failed.
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    • Japan sees itself as a victim in WWII. The Japanese simply don't believe the war crimes. They believe the trials of war criminals after the war were just part of Japan's humiliation and people bring up these alleged incidents just to rub it in and keep Japan down. They are in deep, deep denial about the whole subject. Its very hard to change that.
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      • I just looked it up: 148 Koreans were convicted of war crimes after WWII, 23 were hanged.

        The highest ranked Korean in the Japanese army was a lieutenant general.

        Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

        Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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        • The Japanese simply don't believe the war crimes.


          I don't know if they don't believe the war crimes, but there is a distressing tendency to believe that many, if not most, of those convicted of war crimes were convicted unfairly. Of course, the fact that some men were convicted unfairly helps convince people of this, but it's still no excuse.

          I do agree on the sense of victimhood, for the most part. Seems to be a popular way of framing history in many East Asian countries...
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          • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
            My problem is with the Chinese govt using propaganda.


            So you think they'll just stop if you express disapproval?
            You only disapprove of things if you think things will be more agreeable to you in the future? You don't bother disaproving of things if things are going to stay the same anyway? Don't even bother to answer that one. I already know the answer.
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            • I would like to thank the Japanese for these nice, quiet, peaceful days at asia's American embassys.
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              • You don't bother disaproving of things if things are going to stay the same anyway?


                What's the point? Except mental masturbation? Now if you could use that information, then it may be worthwile, but saying the Chinese government should stop using propaganda is like saying the Italians should stop having a ****ty army. It just ain't going to happen.
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                • "What's the point? Except mental masturbation?"

                  These very words can be found in the dictionary under 'Apolyton OT'.
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                  • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                    You don't bother disaproving of things if things are going to stay the same anyway?


                    What's the point? Except mental masturbation? Now if you could use that information, then it may be worthwile, but saying the Chinese government should stop using propaganda is like saying the Italians should stop having a ****ty army. It just ain't going to happen.
                    You don't have to have a point. You just do it. What's the point in not liking to be kicked in the ass if I'm going to kick you in the ass anyway?
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                    • Yes! If you're going to get kicked in the ass anyway you should like it!
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                      • Originally posted by Lancer
                        Yes! If you're going to get kicked in the ass anyway you should like it!
                        How very practical.
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                        • Thank you.
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                          • If I didn't know better I'd say Imran was a victim of Stockholm Syndrom.
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                            • Originally posted by Kidicious
                              You don't have to have a point. You just do it. What's the point in not liking to be kicked in the ass if I'm going to kick you in the ass anyway?
                              I do it for what reason? So that I can have the satisfaction of hearing my own words? At some point you realize that it just doesn't matter and it's just a waste of time. They use propaganda, how does it directly affect you?

                              After all, your analogy fails. It's more apt to say "What's the point in not liking SOMEONE ELSE to be kicked in the ass, if you are going to kick them in the ass anyway". If it dealt with me, my words may actually mean something. As an outsider, with no political power, they mean jack.
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                              • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                                I do it for what reason?
                                Because it's immoral. Because I take offense to it.
                                After all, your analogy fails. It's more apt to say "What's the point in not liking SOMEONE ELSE to be kicked in the ass, if you are going to kick them in the ass anyway". If it dealt with me, my words may actually mean something. As an outsider, with no political power, they mean jack.
                                If you don't find it immoral, then you just don't. That doesn't mean it isn't.
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