What are your thoughts on the new minuteman border patrol?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Kidicious

I was pointing to your hypocrisy. This people are trying to better their lives, and preventing them from crossing a line is immoral.

Oh, shut up. People are welcome here and all we ask is that they go through the legal process. It's not very hard nor is it very expensive but it is entirely unacceptable to let criminal law breaker just do what ever they want dispite the law. I realize that Republican bastards have done everything they can to prevent the enforcement of the law because individual business owners have benifeted from paying below mininium wage to illegal aliens but we still need to enforce our laws or they mean nothing. We need to enforce them upon illegal aliens and we need to enforce them upon unethical businesses who use illegal laborers in order to goose their profit margins.

[Frankychan]

Originally posted by Sikander


Yea, the poor downtrodden Chinese and Japanese who are now engaged in a debate about whether they should get one permanent seat on the security council or two. You're about as native Hawaiian as I am Cherokee.

And my homeland was taken over by Americans too! First it was the fvcking Indians, and then the Mexicans and now the U.S. claims sovereignty. A brother just can't catch a break!

Then I hope you better get your tribes name because I am part Native Hawaiian. Glad to meet another member. And yes, I am watching the Akaka Bill and hope that it gets passed because that'll mean that the Native Hawaiian's will gain the same recognition as other natives.

And yes, I'm registered with Kamehameha Schools as a Kanaka Maoli. As well as OHA, although someone in the American govt 'decided' that exclusion of "certain individuals" is unconstitutional...despite the estates founder's last wishes.

While I won't get into the debate whether or not the Chinese or the Japense should get a permanent seat on the security council (I doubt my beliefs would be the same as yours) I will say that I am what I say I am.



And while I might not agree with the "Minuteman Militia" idea, I do agree that illegal immigrants shouldn't be afforded the same rights as citizens.

[Frankychan]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


you do realise that currently many illegal aliens are actually paying more taxes to the US government than would US citizens with the same salary?

Or course I do. But I also realize that there are many illegal aliens who are gaining benefits (whether through unemployment fraud, SS fraud, etc etc). To just flat out and ignore this opposing fact would be just as bad as to say that all immigrants are exploited.

Which MANY of them are. I'm just trying to point out that not all of the immigrants are paying a heck of a lot more taxes.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
you do realise that currently many illegal aliens are actually paying more taxes to the US government than would US citizens with the same salary?

CNN had a special on that tonight and it was proven to b e a myth. The truth is most illegals work under the table in a cash economy which doesn't pay taxes. Illegals end up consuming far more government services then they ever pay in taxes. The worst offenders are criminal illegal aliens who get imprisioned, Currently there are close to one million illegal aliens in American jails where nearly the entire cost is paid by state or local governments. Several states are suing the federal government because they claim, rightly in my mind, that the federal government is deliberately not securing the border in order to appease business interests. The country of Los Angles (not counting the various cities in the county just the county government) pays $90 million per year to imprision illegal aliens who commit violent crimes.

[Frankychan]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Oh, shut up. People are welcome here and all we ask is that they go through the legal process. It's not very hard nor is it very expensive but it is entirely unacceptable to let criminal law breaker just do what ever they want dispite the law. I realize that Republican bastards have done everything they can to prevent the enforcement of the law because individual business owners have benifeted from paying below mininium wage to illegal aliens but we still need to enforce our laws or they mean nothing. We need to enforce them upon illegal aliens and we need to enforce them upon unethical businesses who use illegal laborers in order to goose their profit margins.

Exactly. Go through the legal processes.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Oerdin


CNN had a special on that tonight and it was proven to b e a myth. The truth is most illegals work under the table in a cash economy which doesn't pay taxes.

Some work under the table and some, as Sik mentioned, make use of forged SS cards. Not all pay taxes, but those that go this route pay more than you would.

[Frankychan]

See? Not all immigrant workers are truly "exploited" as some may seem. Those that are 'legit' pay their a** in taxes, but at the same time, there are a heck of a lot more that get around the taxes deal.

My whole thing is that I don't agree with the Minuteman Militia thing. There's gotta be a waaaaaay better thing than this. I honestly don't have an idea what, but there's something.

Also, I don't think that illegal citizens should be afforded the same rights as regular citizens....because, what good is being a citizen if an illegal alien possesses the same rights as an illegal alien? There should be some kind of buffer system in place.

[Bosh]

It's not very hard nor is it very expensive

You've obviously never been on the other side of American immigration law, the amount of hoops you have to jump through to get a tourist or a fiance visa, let alone a green card are ridiculous.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Oerdin
It's not very hard nor is it very expensive but it is entirely unacceptable to let criminal law breaker just do what ever they want dispite the law.

I heard that these minutemen are going to start patroling the streets of our cities and reporting all law breaking activity to police like littering and jay walking. They want to prove that they aren't racist or even anti-immigration. They just hate law breakers.

[DeathByTheSword]

yes it's the name of an intercontinental ballistic missile. A nuke.

But the name of the nuke of course took its name from militia during the revolutionary war.

they should have copyrighted the name back then, so that idiotic nationalist/patriotists couldnt use it....

same with the patriot missile system so that every 'right-wing' lunatic cant use it any more in there speeches

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Boshko

You've obviously never been on the other side of American immigration law, the amount of hoops you have to jump through to get a tourist or a fiance visa, let alone a green card are ridiculous.

...yet the President tacitly encourages illegal immigration. Just goes to show you that our leaders appreciate the unlimited cheap labor far more than they do the tourist dollars.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Wycoff


...yet the President tacitly encourages illegal immigration. Just goes to show you that our leaders appreciate the unlimited cheap labor far more than they do the tourist dollars.

And the amount of money that the US is losing by being much more restrictive in handing out student visas than other English-speaking countries is insane.

[Ned]

The problem with "illegal" aliens is that they are illegal. We need to fix our immigration policies to allow people to come to the US to work and make money and potentially become citizens. I have no idea what people who want to restict immigration/guest workers want to achieve.

That said, immigration does put pressure on social services. The Feds should help states that have problems in this regard.

[MRT144]

the federal government shouldnt be a nanny for 5-10 states that dont protect their border

[Whoha]

http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/metro/68940.php

The minute men have gotten a response from the federal government(troops on the border,etc) and there has been a massive drop in illegal immigration in the areas that they are monitoring. Next time they just need to get the correct federal government to do it.