Schiavo Thread Part the Third

[Dis]

not necessarily right wing as Jesse Jackson shows. But they are christian fundamentalists.

[Drake Tungsten]

Nader's a Christian fundamentalist? What about Tom Harkin?

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by shawnmmcc
can anybody bring up any cites, that are at a minimum at the same level as the American Academy of Neurosciences, that indicate that she has AS MUCH CEREBRAL FUNCTION AS A DUMB HAMSTER. Thank you all, and good night.

NO!!!!

Your welcome, good night.

ACK!

[Dis]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Nader's a Christian fundamentalist? What about Tom Harkin?

I really don't know much about Nader. I assume he's a christian. Most of those politicians are.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Every doctor who matters and who wasn't brought in specifically by the opposition agrees she's in a PVS. The court apointed doctors, the independent doctors, and the husbands doctors all agree and it was only a few nut jobs from the right to life people who said other wise and no one found them to be at all creditable. Not that facts will stop the Neds of the world though.

Oerdin, do you believe that the "quality of life" issue dominates in this case so that we should err on the side of ending Terri's life, or anyone's life, under these cirmstances? The judge closed his first opinion in this case with these words:

"However, as Ms. Tyler noted when she tesitifed as to quality of life being the primary criteria in artificial life support matters, American want to "try if for awhile" but they do not wish to live on with no hope of improvement."

I have been listening to the pro-death camp for some time now, and this does seem to be their bottom line.

[Ned]

The Supremes have denied the final appeal. Case closed.

[Dis]

the problem with your argument is you are using Bush's word.

There is no err in this case. We know for certain she's a vegetable.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Ned
The Supremes have denied the final appeal. Case closed.

It was too late anyway, even if she wasn't in PVS there has been too much damage.

Which, cynically, I think was at least part of the reason they denied it.

ACK!

[Ned]

We should conduct a poll of those who believe that Terri should die.

I support the decision to remove the feeding tube because:

1. Terri is in a permanent vegetative state and has no hope to recover.

2. Terri clearly expressed expressed her wish not to continue living in a permanent vegetative state and we should respect her wish.

3. The supporters of Terri are primarily right wing fundies who are seeking to make a political issue this that would extend to issues other than a right to die, issues such as abortion.

4. The parents of Terri are right wing fundamentalists and should not be supported.

5. Republican politicians like Jeb Bush and President Bush support Terri.

6. Michael Schiavo has a right to get on with his life, he has a new wife and two children.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Dissident
the problem with your argument is you are using Bush's word.

There is no err in this case. We know for certain she's a vegetable.

dissident, even if she were certainly in a permanent vegetative state, there remains significant issues regarding her intentions. That is why I'm asking those who want to see the tube pulled why they support that decision.

[Dis]

I can care less what her intentions are. She's a vegetable.

You heard me right. I support everyone in similar condition being allowed to die.

Yes, yes I know. The argument will come up that that could lead to disabled people being put to death, and how I'm against disabled people. At least to me, the difference between PVS cases and normal disabled people are quite clear. I fail to see how anyone can confuse the two.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Ned
We should conduct a poll of those who believe that Terri should die.

Even framing it that way shows that you just don't get it. People don't want Terri to die. They do want her care to be decided for by her legal guardian, and for due process of law to be respected.

Given that, if you did force peopel to answer your misleading poll, I think you'd discover that people would overwhelmingly choose

1. Terri is in a permanent vegetative state and has no hope to recover.

Though, again, there should be another choice as well:

I support the decision to remove the feeding tube because:

...

7. It's none of my damned business. It is the business of her legal guardian; the law is clear about who that is, and this seems to be what he wants. And I support the rule of law.

[Asher]

I support removing the feeding tube because I'm so ****ing tired of hearing about this case. End it all, please.

The Pope too.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Ned
We should conduct a poll of those who believe that Terri should die.

I support the decision to remove the feeding tube because:

1. Terri is in a permanent vegetative state and has no hope to recover.

2. Terri clearly expressed expressed her wish not to continue living in a permanent vegetative state and we should respect her wish.

3. The supporters of Terri are primarily right wing fundies who are seeking to make a political issue this that would extend to issues other than a right to die, issues such as abortion.

4. The parents of Terri are right wing fundamentalists and should not be supported.

5. Republican politicians like Jeb Bush and President Bush support Terri.

6. Michael Schiavo has a right to get on with his life, he has a new wife and two children.

didn't we already have a poll? Although that was worded differently. It asked what would you do if you were Terri Schiavo.

[Ned]

One of the ramifications of this case is that the Vatican has clarified its stance on 'feeding tubes." The issue was cloudy until this month when the Pope issued his new directive to the church and all its organs that a feeding tube cannot be withdrawn once inserted. That binds all Catholics, including their hospitals, doctors, etc., etc., etc.