Schiavo Thread Part the Third

[chequita guevara]

If a person doesn't have a brain, you don't need a test.

[Drake Tungsten]

It's never been clear that her cerebrum is completely gone, partially because we don't have access to quality scans.

I see what you're getting at though, so I'll revise my position. If they perform an autopsy on Terri Schiavo and find that her cerebrum is completely gone, then I'll accept it as fact that she was in a PVS. I don't believe you can have cognition without any remaining cerebral cortex.

Kind of sad that we're going to have to wait until she's dead to figure out the truth on this, though. And it does nothing to address the second test set down by Cruzan.

[GePap]

You mean the one in which the courts have to find convincing evidence of her intente according to the laws of the state?

Maybe you have missed this in the last 1300 posts, but that happened.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Let us assume that is true. If that is the case, doesn't that blow out of the water the whole contention that Michael is doing this for money? Especially when he was offered $1 million for giving up custody like 5 years back? What would be left, $100k? And I'm sure that's already been spent in 10 years.

So then, Ned, if it isn't money, then what is the motivation?

Well, he apparently started the action soon after he formed his relationship with the woman he now calls his "fiancee" and with who he has two kids. At that time, it appears, there was still over $700,000 in the bank which he would inherit if he terminated Terri rather than divorce her.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten


You're just as bad as Ned when it comes to swallowing propaganda...

Drake, since you seem to agree and support what I have said in my posts concerning the facts, in what way do you contend I have been swallowing propaganda?

[Guynemer]

Drake, she has zero cortical activity on EEG.

She is gone. There is no Terri anymore.

[Drake Tungsten]

Drake, since you seem to agree and support what I have said in my posts concerning the facts, in what way do you contend I have been swallowing propaganda?

While I somewhat agree with your position, I think you have been too accepting of stories coming from the parent's side, ie. Terri trying to say "I want to live" and the like. I think both sides in this dispute are lying to make their side look better, so I take most of the statements coming from the parent's side with a grain of salt unless I can find confirmation of them.

[Drake Tungsten]

She is gone. There is no Terri anymore.

It's possible, even probable. I've always been more concerned with whether she wanted to die or not, though. I think hearsay evidence from an interested party and his family is insufficient to clearly demonstrate a wish to die, despite what Florida law may say. Killing her based on such evidence may be legal, but it definitely brings up moral questions...

[Ned]

Originally posted by GePap


It will do a great job of exposing the true extent of her brain damage in order to show those *****ing that she was certainly in a PVS, plus it will be used against the trully despicable, like Terry randall, or Ned, who claim she was abused.

On the abuse situation: It appears now that the Schindlers first learned of the bone scan 3 years ago. The scan was taken 50 weeks after the event. Michael says the broken bones: ribs, pelvis, femur; were broken during her care. I am sure he will be able to produce some nurse or doctor to support this contention if true.

On the Hannity show tonight, a forensic doctor said that the depositions in the malpractice case may provide insight into the bone scans, as the lawyers defending the accused doctors would have tried to show that Terri's condition was the result of foul play.

He also said that he reviewed part of the records regarding her admission at the time of the event. The part he reviewed spoke of abraisions, buises and lacerations. There was no mention of broken bones, which he said would have been noticed had they been there at the time.

Still, the doctor did not see the entire report. What is contained in the missing pages is still not known.

Finally, can anyone explain why Michael Schiavo would not tell the Schindlers that their daughter had a catastophic accident while under care? And, since he seemed fond for suing for malpractice, why didn't he sue for such injuries as well?

[Sava]

Ned you're grasping at straws here... the points you're harping on are really quite irrelevant. I'm actually embarassed for you. Please stop and avoid further embarassment.

Anyways, Terri's body will die soon. All this will be moot.

And the issue will be settled, for those of us with the ability to reason. A full autopsy will be performed and Terri's brain will be looked at. The autopsy will confirm the facts in this case, but the fundies will never accept it.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Drake, since you seem to agree and support what I have said in my posts concerning the facts, in what way do you contend I have been swallowing propaganda?

While I somewhat agree with your position, I think you have been too accepting of stories coming from the parent's side, ie. Terri trying to say "I want to live" and the like. I think both sides in this dispute are lying to make their side look better, so I take most of the statements coming from the parent's side with a grain of salt unless I can find confirmation of them.

Well almost everything I report her is taken directly from the people who were eyewitness to the events. Tonight, the attorney who got Terri to say "Ahhh" "Waa" appeared on the Hannity show and gave a dramatic first hand account of what occurred. As reported elsewhere, there were witnesses to this event that have no connection the Shindlers, including a cop. But the judge never held a hearing to take the testimony regarding what happened, as he ruled that it was "too late" and that it did change the fact that Terri still could not recover.

[Drake Tungsten]

I trust attorneys least of all, Ned...

[Ned]

Originally posted by Guynemer
Drake, she has zero cortical activity on EEG.

She is gone. There is no Terri anymore.

In large measure I agree with this. However, Terri is still there to a degree even though she will never be there the way she once was, that is, unless they figure out how to replace brain tissue.

But, even accepting the fact that she her higher level brian functions no longer exist, are you making a statement here that such people no longer have any right to live?

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Killing her based on such evidence may be legal, but it definitely brings up moral questions...

On that, you and I have common ground.

But I also think that Congress is hardly the ideal body to address moral questions.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Ned

But, even accepting the fact that she her higher level brian functions no longer exist, are you making a statement here that such people no longer have any right to live?

Of course not. What I am saying is that

1) all these stories of her asking to live, responding to people, etc., and just bull**** and/or wishful thinking.

2) whether or not she would want to live in such a state is ultimately up to her caregivers.