RPG's need an overhaul

[MrBaggins]

I played 40k. Many years ago.

If I recall correctly, I had Chaos Demons (including GD Of Khorne and Tzeench), Genestealers, Eldars/Harlequins and a few Marine squads, plus a Terminator Marine squad.

My friend painted my stuff free of charge... cos he liked the practice.

[Ben Kenobi]

Well, what about Nethack? You die if you don't eat, you shy away from combat , you can even beat the game as a pacifist, or let your pets eat other enemies. You become more skilled with a weapon the longer you use the weapon, while your character attributes improve over time.

As for the thought of making wimpy enemies less valuable, they even have that in Diablo. As you get stronger, the amount of XP you get from another enemiy depends on how different your level is to the creature.

[Dis]

all this talk of nethack, and I never played. What's the big deal?

[LDiCesare]

Nethack is a quite old RPG. It's basically ascii only, though you can play with tiles.

Things that happen in Nethack:
My current game:
Moi the barbarian recently shapeshifted back from a bone devil after stepping on a polymorph trap. I managed to replace the dwarven mithril coat that was destroyed in the process by a new one.

Here is a list of deaths my characters suffered:
While blind, I groped to check what lay on the floor and touched a chickatrice corpse. I didn't wear gloves, so I was turned to stone. Note that chickatrice and cockatrice corpses make excellent weapons when you wear gloves, as they turn what they touch to stone. Just don't fall down stairs with that in your hand.
I fainted from lack of food while wearing a ring that caused my minion troll and my pet vampire to attack me and kill me (when about 5 squares from the real amulet of Yendor).

Other stuff:
In Nethack, you can eat carrots to cure blindness, eat many things to get special powers. For instance, eat a floating eye corpse and then wrap a towel around your head and you'll be able to detect creatures by telepathy...
And then there is all the business of cursing teleport scrolls on purpose and dipping useless potions into fountains in order to get water that may become holy in order to dip a magical lamp into the holy water so it becomes holy and then you'll be able to rub it and get a wish from a djinn, like getting a nice grey dragon scale mail armour.
And then you can try to polymorph your little dog pet into a dragon.
And then you can also curse a genocide scroll in order to summon wraithes in hope you can eat their corpses to gain a level.
And you mustn't forget to give some money to the priests in order to get some magical protection.

And... there are so many things in Nethack this game is really awesome.

[Jamski]

Nethack rules. Its actually based on the D&D system. You can download it from nethack.org for free and its infinitely replayable (random level layouts)

-Jam

[LDiCesare]

Its actually based on the D&D system

Originally, yes, but it's quite loose. It's 2nd edition AD&D with different professions and the ability for anyone to cast spells... The holy/cursed/uncursed part of the game is not in D&D for instance. It still rules.

[Space05us]

go play The Getaway

I hated it, but it sounds like what you anti-hp/mana/levels people would like.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Jamski
Yeah I spent a fortune on those figures. Then they revised the rules, half the old figures were disallowed, and the new ones cost sooooooo much. Games Workshop are dirty little money grabbers.

Sounds like Magic: the Gathering

[Whoha]

http://www.progressquest.com/

I personally don't like rpgs(after having played a bunch of them). Personal skill should go up, not some number. How to represent that in a game though, meh, I'm not all that big on story either.

[Jamski]

Sounds like Magic: the Gathering

MUCH more money stealing than even WotC . Those lead alloy minatures cost about 5 pounds for two figures from an original 2 pounds for 4 when I started buying them. Some of them were real works of art though. They blamed an increase in the cost of lead, but really the realised that people would buy Citidael Minatures whatever they cost.

I found out what girls were for about the same time I realised that I was spending too much on minatures

-Jam

[LDiCesare]

They blamed an increase in the cost of lead, but really the realised that people would buy Citidael Minatures whatever they cost.

Really funny. I remember using molds and the tin+lead alloy used to seal wine bottles to make my own miniatures. Molds were expensive, but if you wanted to make an army and could afford the bottles of wine (or the lead), it ended up quite cheap.

[Jaguar]

RPG's are the ultimate of dorkiness.

[Urban Ranger]

Thank you for your contribution, JW.

[Jaguar]

You're welcome.

[Jamski]

TBS single-player-videogames are MORE dorky

-Jam