Arafat Had Done it Again. Abu Mazen Quits.

[Zevico]

Any "real" news agencies. Such as what? How is Jerusalem Post, for example, biased when it comes to factual reporting? Why would they report rumours and show them as facts? Why would they hide an Israeli 'massacre'? When was the last time such a massacre occurred?

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
again?

you know, as bad as the israelis can be, i honestly believe that arafat has to go if the palestinians ever want to have a strong diplomatic legitimacy again.

I agree. The only time Arafat will grant peace is when hell freeze over, or the Israelis are driven from Israel.

[CyberGnu]

Any "real" news agencies. Such as what?

New York Times, Washington Post, BBC, CNN, Le Monde, Reuters, AP... You know, agencies with journalistic integrity. I'm sure there are some down under.

How is Jerusalem Post, for example, biased when it comes to factual reporting?

Well, this seems to be a good example, doesn't it? A story of this magnitude (Abu Mazen quitting) would certinaly be reported by real news agencies. Not a peep so far.

Why would they report rumours and show them as facts?

Because they are not catering to people looking for facts. They cater to people who want their prejudice confirmed.

Why would they hide an Israeli 'massacre'?

Actually, "they" in this context refered to whoever posted this story. The logic is pretty simple: The valiant Israeli stormtroopers killed 5 innocent people. In order to avoid critism, let's draw attention to the awful evens in the PA.

When was the last time such a massacre occurred?

Yesterday, depending on time zone.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/international/international-mideast.html

[CyberGnu]

I agree. The only time Arafat will grant peace is when hell freeze over, or the Israelis are driven from Israel.

Question: what do you base this on? His negotiations that led to the end of the first intidafa? His Nobel peace price?

It couldn't be Sharons and Bush's propaganda, by any chance?

[Edan]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
New York Times, Washington Post, BBC, CNN, Le Monde, Reuters, AP... You know, agencies with journalistic integrity. I'm sure there are some down under.

Umm... CNN... right...

Not a peep so far.

I suggest you take another look, it's on Reuters and a number of other sources, including those you consider to have "journalistic integrity", if you had bothered to take a look.

[Edan]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
His negotiations that led to the end of the first intidafa?
[/qb]

Nonesense. The first intifada had already been waning and was all but over by 1991, two years before Arafat
became an issue.

His Nobel peace price?

Like that means anything...

[Joseph]

Because every time the peace process is just a signature away Arafat changes his mind. He does not want Israel to survive. He hates Israel, and if you can not see that, I don't what to say.

[Az]

Heck, I still remember that Mubarak had to persuade him to sign the peace accords back in the 90s.

[Drake Tungsten]

Here's a BBC link for Cyber. Just heading off any conspiracy theories about CNN being an American company and therefore under the control of the evil Jews.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Drake, Edan... I might be more inclined to believe both of you except ALL of the links you posted said that Abu Mazan THREATENED to resign, not that he resigned at all. They are apparently meeting on Wednesday to hammer out disagreements.

Please, both sides, stop spreading misinformation. Like we don't have enough of it already .

[Drake Tungsten]

When did I ever claim that Abu Mazan quit?

[GePap]

Hmmm, so when does the next israeli PM get assasinarted due to moves towards peace? It would be really interesting to see Sharon shot by some right-wingers for being a pacenik..ome sort of uber-cosmic irony.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The title claims he quits and Cyber was suspicious of such a claim (as was I, since no one reported such a thing), and you jumped all over him.

So if you didn't claim it, you sure were on the side that did.

[Drake Tungsten]

The original article posted by Eli never claims that Abu Mazan had quit, just that he had stormed out and that it didn't look good. If you want to judge Eli's point solely by the title he chose, then be my guest. I prefer to judge it by the article he posted.

BTW, I jumped all over Cyber because of his ridiculous theory about this being an Israeli conspiracy to cover up a "massacre", not because he was skeptical.

[Edan]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Drake, Edan... I might be more inclined to believe both of you except ALL of the links you posted said that Abu Mazan THREATENED to resign, not that he resigned at all.

None of the articles said that he quit - including the original article (which Gnu refused to believe because it didn't come from a "real news agency" ) It had merely stated:

Palestinian officials tried to convince Abu Mazen, who returned home after leaving the meeting, to attend a central committee meeting at a later date. It is not clear if Abu Mazen has agreed.

At the time, it was not clear if Abu Mazen was going to quit or not. (indeed, it's still not clear that he won't)

Indeed, it looked as if there was a good chance that he would quit at the time the article came out, which was before they agreed to meet wednesday.