Survey about creationism

[St Leo]

1. How old is the Universe?

20 gigayears.

2. How old is the Earth?

4.6 gigayears.

3. How old is life?

Earth life? 3.8 gigayears.

4. Was there a Flood? If there was, when?

Yes, in Winnipeg in 1997.

5. Was there one Ice Age or more? When?

Dozens and dozens.

2.8 gigayears ago, 2.2 gigayears ago, and 2.0 gigayears ago there were really big ones.

There were a few small ones in the last 20 megayears.

[St Leo]

I know sea levels have been higher in the past, but I wouldn't think the entire Earth was covered.

Well, at one point around 4.3 gigayears ago the world's oceans precipitated from the atmosphere. Of course, that was before the formation of life, so an Arc that held two of every lifeform (even those that reproduce asexually) would have been rather empty.

[Immortal Wombat]

What RJ said... ( )

[Kuciwalker]

I'll sum my answers up in one sentence: Creationism is blatantly false, and the existance of God is subject to Occam's Razor: whether or not it is true has no discernable effect, and therefore can be said to be untrue.

[C0ckney]

wow you're like a genius or something, disproving the existance of god in a 3 line post...

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm not the best to speak for the creationists, but I do qualify as your poll target.

1. How old is the Universe?

13.5 billion years according to the latest estimate by astronomers. I interpret six days as six eons, one of two possible interpretations of the hebrew word for day used.

2. How old is the Earth?

4.5 billion years according to radiocarbon dating of our oldest rocks. Again, interpreting days as eons allows me to use the scientific definition.

3. How old is life?

What do you mean by life? Single-celled organisms?
We don't know, because we have not found evidence of life on other planets. Life on earth, the best estimates are several billion years.

4. Was there a Flood? If there was, when?

Probably around 6000 years ago, by the biblical records and other middle eastern epics such as Gilgamesh.

Whether the flood was worldwide or not, I honestly don't know. There are good arguments for both sides.

5. Was there one Ice Age or more? When?

Nothing in the Bible to contradict scientific evidence for Ice Ages, so I'll go with the geological evidence. I'm not sure why you ascribe this to creationism.

You also need to have 6.

When do you believe human life begins? Science appends millions of years according to fossil evidence. I'm not sure we can place a specific date on Adam and Eve in the Garden, so I'll go with the current scientific evidence.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by obiwan18
Whether the flood was worldwide or not, I honestly don't know. There are good arguments for both sides.

What is the good argument for the flood being worldwide? If it was 6000 years ago, no way, no how.

[Ben Kenobi]

Boris:

If the flood were local, there would be other groups in existence.

Gen 7:22

Every living thing that moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind.

Genesis 6:5-8

The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth-men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air-for I am grieved that I have made them."

The key hinges on the interpretation of earth as applying to the whole world or to part. Of this I am not sure.

[Kontiki]

I think Boris was looking for a shred of scientific proof that there could have been a global flood. You seem to subscribe to the scientific notions of carbon dating and, I'll assume, geology. Since the only way to believe in a global flood is to completely ignore the fact there is no geological evidence of such, to say nothing of uninterupted evidence of civilzations in other parts of the world during that time frame, any argument would rest on complete blind faith. I'm not sure that would be classified as a "good" argument.

[Al B. Sure!]

Stories of floods are common throughout societies, as far from the Levant as China and the polynesian islands.

[St Leo]

Stories of fires are common throughout societies. Ergo, there was a global Inferno.

[Al B. Sure!]

St Leo:

there's no repeated stories of global fires... there are, however, repeated stories of global floods. There must have been some kind of significant flooding 10K years ago probably at the end of the last ice age when sea levels rose considerably... The mediterrenean, for example, was much smaller... Italy and Spain were attached to north africa and Greece to Anatolia until the end of the ice age


thanks

[Vesayen]

Re: Survey about creationism

1. How old is the Universe?

Estimations range between 18 to 37 billion years old(I think ~ 28'sh myself)





2. How old is the Earth?

8.3 billion years old(give or take 1 or 200 hundred million)





3. How old is life?

We keep finding evidence of life further and further back....new evidence shows that the earliest "life" might have arrisen while the surface was still cooling........~7.4 billion years ago.



4. Was there a Flood? If there was, when?

A sea wall broke on the caspian sea, flooding much of the region and creating the black sea.......estimations are fuzzy but humans were around then-was tramatic to people in the region but was FAR from a global event-it was localized.


5. Was there one Ice Age or more? When?

Multiple ice-ages, we may be in one now during a warm spell......





Im a theistic creationalist........IF God is up there he had a hand in creation but the universe runs by science and evolution is real(I look down my nose at creationalist and think faith is the embrace of ignorance).

[Al B. Sure!]

8.3 billion year old earth and life 7 billion years old? Isn't that a bit too old? I thought scientists are roughly agreed that earth was at least 4 billion years old, based on a rock that was that old or what not. Where you get 8.3 billion from?


thanks

[Al B. Sure!]

The universe was created on July 5, 1868 at 10:13 pm... no one alive can disprove this and all evidence to the contrary (ie- bones, buildings, etc) were fabrications created and set in place on that day.

disprove me