The last refuge

[SlowwHand]

You saying you haven't repeated that, ad nauseum, for 3 weeks, GePap ?

[Ari Rahikkala]

What does the justification of the war itself have to do with the justification of reducing political freedoms?

[GePap]

What, the calling those that think this admin. is idiotic is not unpatriotic and that those that say it is have no clue what they are talking about and undermine the very things we are fighting for?

I will say it ad nauseum for the coming 4 years if it is necessary. And during all that time you have never coem up with a worthwhile answer to that idea.

So, I will give you a chance: why is it wrong to critizise our political leaders during a war Sloww? will our troops, upon finding that thier current political leaders are unfit see their world crumble and drop down their arms and flee in panic? Will it somehow create some mystical force that will telepathically infuse those isolated Iraqi conscript who don;t know what is going on with some superhuman determination that will held them take out our troops? What is it slowwly?

[red_jon]

Sloww- I don't mean to sound patronising but chill.

I was just asking what you meant by posting that.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
And oh yeah, let's just ****ing forget that Hussein was given ample ****ing opportunity to step aside.

Why should he? If he has committed illegal acts, try him in a court. If not, what right do you have to remove him? Do you think the US should remove Arafat, Chirac, Schroeder, and anyone else who Bush would rather wasn't in power? Should all national leaders be subject to US approval?

[The Emperor Fabulous]

I will defend your right to attack my right of free speech. Lord knows that's what our soldiers have been told they are doing.

[monkspider]

Some people will go along with whatever their country does, regardless of how immoral it is. :shrugs:

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Want something to protest? Protest this.
Do some reading yourself.

http://www.aiipowmia.com/stats.html

Operation Iraqi Freedom: Figures by AII POW-MIA

01 APR 03 : Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch, 19, Palestine, W.Va. RESCUED

As of 05 APR 03:

Prisoner of War (POW): 7

If it were for anti-war people, those soldiers wouldn't be in ME in the first place, but with their families. What do you expect if oyou attack a country? "OK guys, bad enough you didn't comply with our demands and completely disarm, but that you now really also dare to defend yourself is ridiculous!"

Have you actually read the article? You're exactly acting the way the article is talking about - arguing with something completely unrelated just to make the other opinion appear "unpatriotic". Criticising Bush=supporter oif terrorism - as easy as that, hein?

[PLATO]

Freedom to vocally oppose a sitting government is as an American right as anything. Freedom to oppose the opposition is also. What we see among the politicians is posturing and nothing more. Anyone have any evidence that Kerry or Delay oppose the constitution? Both are right to speak their minds and give their opinions. The judge in this matter is the American voter at the Ballot box. I say let the debate continue! This makes us stronger, not weaker, as a Nation. The world can see our process out in the open, but know that at the end of the day-we stand together.

No further evidence is needed than to recall the House of Representatives singing God Bless America together on the House steps after 9/11. As long as we are free, we will have dissent and dissent to that dissent. GePap is correct...this is the American way. Kerry is correct to speak his mind, and Delay is free to speak his. We the Public will decide.

[GePap]

PLATO: there is a slight difference between what Kerry said and what Racicot and Delay said:

There are two positions here: agree with the president, disagree with the president.

Kerry states he disagreed with the president.

Delay and Co. stated: You can't say that. They did not say: "well, Kerry disagrees, but we agree with the president", they stated that it is wrong to voice position number 1.

Those to acts ARE NOT CONCURENT, ARE NOT THE SAME, ARE NOT EQUAL.

One is a person stating what their opinion is, which you are right Plato, is our right as Americans. The other is saying that that is something AMERICANS SHOULDN'T DO, THAT IT IS UNAMERICAN. I have the right to disagree with an author, I have the right not to read him..I don't have the right to state that they don't have the right to write. Burning a book is not an equal act of free speech to writing a book..it is an attempt to stiffle free speech.

This is the point. Republicans can line up behind the president and say he is right and hold "America rallies" as large as they can get..that is freedom of speech. Calling others who disagree with them traitors is not part of that freedom. that is an attempt to stiffle debate, and if anything is unamerican, it is that.

[Victor Galis]

Freedom to vocally oppose a sitting government is as an American right as anything. Freedom to oppose the opposition is also. What we see among the politicians is posturing and nothing more. Anyone have any evidence that Kerry or Delay oppose the constitution? Both are right to speak their minds and give their opinions. The judge in this matter is the American voter at the Ballot box. I say let the debate continue! This makes us stronger, not weaker, as a Nation. The world can see our process out in the open, but know that at the end of the day-we stand together.

-It's one thing to oppose the opposition, quite another to suggest that they have no right to oppose you.

[Ben Kenobi]

Churchill:

Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/s/q103863.html