"That's so gay" - enough to get twelve-year-olds suspended

[Drake Tungsten]

We're free out here too, free from hate and prejudice in supervised school environments.

So a kid singing a Snoop Dogg song is spreading hate and prejudice?

You're letting your bias affect your thinking on this one, Asher.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
So a kid singing a Snoop Dogg song is spreading hate and prejudice?

What don't you understand? The n-word by itself is a derrogatory term, so its use shouldn't be permitted in school regardless. Similarly, when "gay" is used synonymously with a derrogatory term, THAT should not be permitted in schools either.

My schools both in the US or Canada certainly wouldn't permit the playing of a Snoop Dogg song if it contained explicit lyrics like the n-word.

I actually do find it hard to believe that Nebraska schools would be that reckless, as well...

You're letting your bias affect your thinking on this one, Asher.

No, you're just not thinking it through or being sympathetic to the people on the other side of the fence.

[Drake Tungsten]

No, you're just not thinking it through or being sympathetic to the people on the other side of the fence.

God forbid that I expect people to be able to comprehend different meanings for a word based on context...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
God forbid that I expect people to be able to comprehend different meanings for a word based on context...

You're asking them not to be human.

You obviously don't understand it. I'm not surprised, really. Very few people can understand it without going through it, but I'm rather appalled you don't care that people are offended by it.

I'm telling you, people ARE offended by it, regardless of its intent. You can tell them all to suck it up and try to convince them that using their sexuality as an insult for anything and everything under the sun isn't offensive, but then you'd clearly make yourself out to be a moron.

[Drake Tungsten]

You're asking them not to be human.

Most humans are smart enough to tell the difference between "gay" used a synonym for "lame" and "gay" used as an insult. If you can't distinguish between the two, that's fine. I'm pretty sure you are in the minority, however.

BTW, having this argument yet again is totally gay...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Most humans are smart enough to tell the difference between "gay" used a synonym for "lame" and "gay" used as an insult. If you can't distinguish between the two, that's fine. I'm pretty sure you are in the minority, however.

No, the problem here is you aren't thinking enough.

The problem is you're using a term to describe someone's sexuality as a catch-all insult.

Don't you see why that's offensive regardless of the individual person's intent?

It's a reminder that society doesn't like you, won't accept you, and will treat you like **** -- every time that word is used.

And that word is used, a lot. That's why there's such a major problem with gay teens.

They're the demographic with the largest suicide rate, they're forced to live double lives until after high school usually, and "little" things like this are what can cause it.

There are many other words people can use, but it's somehow okay to use sexuality as an insult for everything.

I find it reprehensible that the use of the word as a derrogatory term goes unpunished in the vast majority of schools.

[Asher]

I'll try once again to explain:

There's basically two factors that can be offensive in the term, and Drake & Co are only capable of seeing one of them.
1. When the term is used as a direct insult against someone.
2. When the term is used as a derrogatory term for something else. Every time the word is used like this, it's obvious you're using the sexuality in a derrogatory way. This is also offensive, because you're telling gay people that they're an insult.

[Drake Tungsten]

And that word is used, a lot. That's why there's such a major problem with gay teens.

Right. Like gay teens were just fine before "gay" gained a new meaning. Give me a break...

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

God forbid that I expect people to be able to comprehend different meanings for a word based on context...

Exactly. I am so sick and tired of people ignoring the fact that words can be used in new ways. I read somewhere that a college reprimanded someone for the use of the word "niggardly" even though they admitted that they knew what the word meant. I wish people could appreciate the fact that the meanings of terms are context dependent. Ditto for "man" - don't people know that this word has two meanings, one is species and the other is gender? Complaining doesn't change that fact. And frankly we've got more pressing concerns than worrying about the way people talk.

I've heard gay people use the term in the way this student used it. I think it is healthy that it is being used this way since it is a mild insult and mildly mocks the old fashioned "gay" stereotype, which in my opinion needs to be an object of fun because it is so silly and doesn't reflect reality (if it ever did).

[Drake Tungsten]

I agree with Agathon?

[MRT144]

it is the end of days!

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Asher
I'll try once again to explain:

There's basically two factors that can be offensive in the term, and Drake & Co are only capable of seeing one of them.
1. When the term is used as a direct insult against someone.
2. When the term is used as a derrogatory term for something else. Every time the word is used like this, it's obvious you're using the sexuality in a derrogatory way. This is also offensive, because you're telling gay people that they're an insult.

1. If someone used this term against me as an insult I would laugh. It's a mild insult and generally used in a friendly way.

2. If somebody saw a bright pink Volkswagen beetle festooned with ribbons and a Julio Iglesias airhorn and said, "That's so gay!". I'd agree.

This use of the term "gay" originates from the stereotypical "fairy". But that stereotype is so old fashioned, and like all such stereotypes, faintly ridiculous. It is almost impossible to actually insult someone with it these days. When a stereotype becomes so harmless that even those supposedly stereotyped by it start mocking it, then I think we've made some progress towards ending the problem of discrimination against homosexuals.

And another thing - if you want to hear the best kind of gay jokes, the kind that make you laugh with, rather than at homosexuals, ask a gay person. Same goes for jokes about other minorities.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I agree with Agathon?

Weird isn't it.

Did you ever watch that old series, "The Brothers"? I think that was one of the first series in the US with openly gay characters (and so much better than Ellen). The best character in it was one called Donald, who was a ridiculously stereotypical gay man. Contrasted with this was the main character who like most gay people I know appeared entirely normal. The point being: yes we know about this stereotype - it is ridiculous but also charmingly funny.

[Jules]

What about sympathy for this twelve-year-old kid who obviously is too young to appreciate the political significance of his words, who was just trying to have some innocent fun on the playground? Wouldn't a stern reprimand have been sufficient? Why do we punish children for the problems created by a spoiled, rotten adult culture (e.g., draconian "zero-tolerance" policies, mandatory drug-testing of participants in extracurricular activities)?

[Drake Tungsten]

Did you ever watch that old series, "The Brothers"?

Never heard of it. Sounds kinda like Jack and Will on "Will & Grace"...