Mormons

[Bereta_Eder]

Yeah but you live in the US Ruskie

I live in the other half of the world.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Tass is living in the very heart of LDS country right now.

Come on Tass, move up here to Ogden with the rest of us sinners. At least Ogden didn't protest the nude bar ala Logan...poor Tass

[gunkulator]

Hey Unorthodox, I've always been fascinated by the polytheistic teachings of LDS. Like how you can become a god if you are really really good. Cool!

Also, there's shades of Islam in there too. I believe if you are good little Mormon man and get married in the temple and such, don't you get a whole bunch of wives in the afterlife? It's a men only deal IIRC.

For women, the hook is that you can make your family some sort of "eternal family" or something but I'm not so clear how that works.

[UnOrthOdOx]

True, this is something that has changed in recent years as well.

Used to be, the man could re-marry in the Temple, ie eternally, more than one wife if his first died, or they got a civil divource, but not a temple divource. This is becomming more and more not practiced, though, and obtaining a temple divource is about as likely as winning a lottery. Took my sister well over 5 years to get that done even though her husband was in jail for child abuse...

Also, My Aunt (devout LDS) also was just re-married in the Temple after her husband died, so it works both ways now. Women can marry more than one man...Supposedly the 'choose' who to be with in the afterlife...

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What is interesting is the book of Mormon is supposed to have been the doctrine of the Native Americans. the Temple Blessings bear great resemblance to a number of Sioux rituals. (My Great Grandmother is Lakota, I spent a summer with a Sioux Medicine man learning their religion, this also is what lead to my expulsion from the LDS church, who called such things Witchcraft.)

[curtsibling]

What's the only thing more boring than war?....Religion!

"Each to their own delusion..."

That's my motto!

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by paiktis22
I didn't have the pressumed unfortune of ever hearing about the osmonds.

SO the today mormons repudiate their racist past?


or just the not so devout do?

Well, I relegate my observation only to the Mormons I have met. And given the circumstances of why I was with those particular Mormons, it goes without saying that they weren't particularly devout.

[gunkulator]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx

What is interesting is the book of Mormon is supposed to have been the doctrine of the Native Americans. the Temple Blessings bear great resemblance to a number of Sioux rituals.

Hmm. Thought I heard somewhere that temple rituals were very similar to the rituals of Free Masonry. I believe Joseph Smith was a Free Mason at one time.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

If anyone fancies doing a "Historical Filth"-type article of their own, just research the life of Joseph Smith. It's a riot.

"God says you must become my latest wife and the marriage must be consummated instantly. Please don't tell your parents."

[UnOrthOdOx]

Yes he was, there is a book somewhere on that. There is also evidence he used various forms of witchcraft including scrying and other forms of contacting the spirit realm.

I don't know much on Masonry, though, perhaps they are all similar in nature. They are all basically attempting to get you in tuned with spirits, so why not?

Personally, the Sioux rituals sure felt less staged, and more comfortable.

[Ben Kenobi]

Paiktis:

I posted a comment earlier on Mormonism..

I'll see if I can't find it.

[Ben Kenobi]

Paiktis:

Found my post- in response to tolls in the season of God's coming thread.

Let's look at the myth. All Joseph Smith claims to be is a prophet from God, and not God himself. Christ not only claims to be God, but also provides evidence of his claims through his death and resurrection.

Many prophets come and go, but none have risen from the dead. So the mythology surrounding Joseph Smith only can bear witness to a prophet.

Also, unlike Christ, historic evidence exists to disprove many of the claims attributed to Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.

Here's one example.

http://www.mindspring.com/~engineer_my_dna/mormon/

"In LDS Sunday School many Mormons will only hear a sanitized version of Joseph Smith's history. Most Mormons will not learn that Jospeh drank beer and wine on numerous occassions, or that he obtained a liquor license from the City of Nauvoo. Nor, will most Mormons be taught about his polyandrous relationships with married women, or his violation of Illinois State law and the Doctrine and Covenants in his practice of polygamy. What's surprising is that during Joseph Smith's lifetime, he never publicly taught polygamy. Joseph Smith and the other LDS Church leaders maintained a public denial of polygamy while practicing it privately.

In LDS Sunday School most will hear about the persecution of the Mormons in great detail. Yet, one will likely not learn that Joseph Smith planned agression against the state of Missouri and the United States government. In fact, Joseph Smith was charged with and indicted on the charge of treason in Missouri. However, he escaped from jail prior to his conviction on these charges. Joseph Smith also ordered the desctruction of a town newspaper, Nauvoo Expositor, which exposed his private doctrine and practice of polygamy. "

[Ozz]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Personally, the Sioux rituals sure felt less staged, and more comfortable.

Did he dance the Sun dance?

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx

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What is interesting is the book of Mormon is supposed to have been the doctrine of the Native Americans. the Temple Blessings bear great resemblance to a number of Sioux rituals. (My Great Grandmother is Lakota, I spent a summer with a Sioux Medicine man learning their religion, this also is what lead to my expulsion from the LDS church, who called such things Witchcraft.)

I thought that the basic doctrine of the LDS was that an Israeli tribe settled in the New World, received the ministry of Jesus, then were wiped out by the native amercans on Satan's order, only to have their history saved by the angel Moroni, who presented the text to Smith? The book of Mormon would then not be the doctrine of the native americans, but of the lost tribe.

Am I wrong?