Anti-Semitism in France

[CyberGnu]

Eli:

Would you reccomend the Muslims in France to openly dissacosiate themselves from the Muslim/Arab countries if Jews start to harass them?

I would recommend the muslim/arab community to distance themselves from all reprehensible views. For example, I would recommend them to distance themselves from Al-Quida. I would recommend them to distance themselves from the practice of honor killings. As far as I know, all arab communities outside of the middle east has done so.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Jaguar, as per Mings request, I won't dignify you with a reply.

Good request. 2 posts and I was well on the way to starting a flame war. Sorry.


But you're still wrong.

[CyberGnu]

Nope

[Jaguar]

Hah! You dignified me with a reply! I knew you'd have to do that because, like me, you never admit it when you're wrong.

Anyway, back on subject:

I would recommend the muslim/arab community to distance themselves from all reprehensible views.

Who defines what views are "reprehensible?"

[Jaguar]

For example, suppose that a white supremacy organization decides that Black people should not be allowed to vote. They consider any other views reprehensible. Does that give them the right to beat up people who disagree with them?

[CyberGnu]

No, it doesn't give anyone the right to beat up anyone else. But the problem will never go away unless we address ALL causes.

Reprehensible: for example, any view that supports oppression.

[CyberGnu]

Hah! You dignified me with a reply! I knew you'd have to do that because, like me, you never admit it when you're wrong.

? I figured you apologized. If you are going to be civil, I can argue.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
No, it doesn't give anyone the right to beat up anyone else. But the problem will never go away unless we address ALL causes.

Reprehensible: for example, any view that supports oppression.

What about, for example, abortion? It is oppression of the mother (or would-be mother) to deny her the right to choose, but it is also oppression of the infant to kill it. It's a lose-lose situation that results in oppression no matter what. Under that definition of Reprehensible, any opinion on abortion is reprehensible.

[Edan]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
BTW, why not go to the root of the problem? If the french jewry openly dissociated itself from Israel, the reason for the muslim communities anger would be gone.

Are you trying to explain and justify bigotry?

Seems to me that the Jew in the story had already disassociated himself from the french jewry and that didn't help him, did it?

There are plenty of muslim communities and peoples that don't condone or participate in such actions.

[GeneralTacticus]

Ned: According to my mother, who lived in France for quite a while (along with me, as a matter of fact... but I don't remember very much about it), a prime reason why the French resent Americans was that 'they dropped their bombs from too high'. Apparently the French see this as the Americans not having the balls to risk their pilots in order to save the lives of French people.

[Az]

GT: That would be rather funny, blaming the americans for not having balls to fight the Germans, while they didn't have any balls themselves.

[GeneralTacticus]

They resent the fact that the Americans flew high enough to avoid AA fire, meaning that they often demolished large areas of the cities they were bombing.

And do recall that a great many of them did have the balls to fight back, even when the military had given up - which would require rather more courage than fighting a conventional war.

[Az]

Gen. Tacticus:
Still, the majority of their army actually fought against the allies in various locations in the world, in africa and the ME.

They should better look at what they did during the war, then judge the americans.

[Menlas]

Originally posted by Azazel
Still, the majority of their army actually fought against the allies in various locations in the world, in africa and the ME.

The majority, are you sure ? The free french army, made with servicemen who escaped from France, fought with the allies in various locations of the world too.

And about those who fought against...very sad indeed, but don't forget the current government of Vichy made a lot of propaganda to show how the allies were evil etc...
What's more, this government was headed by Marechal Petain, a national hero of WW1 considered as the "saviour of the patry" (but who appeared to be the worst antisemitist moron later, yes). So it is not so surprising

[GeneralTacticus]

Gen. Tacticus:
Still, the majority of their army actually fought against the allies in various locations in the world, in africa and the ME.

They should better look at what they did during the war, then judge the americans.

True enough. I attended a lecture a while ago about how deep the collaboration with the Nazis actually was, and how much it's been suppressed, which was pretty damn disturbing.

Edited to add quote - anyoen else noticed their internet connections slwoing down lately?