First Woman American Soldier Feared Dead

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


First, I think calling me a moron is uncalled for, and under the current moderator policy of being stricter on personal attacks, entirely inappropriate coming from you.

It was far milder than my original reaction. "Stricter" doesn't mean everyone has to tiptoe around.

Dan and I were pretty clear on what has likely happened, and you interjected your flippant little retort that was off base by miles.

Second, I was simply addressing the issue, which Starchild raised, of whether or not a woman's death is, in and of itself, more tragic than a man's.

And I'd already responded to that point.

I was not addressing the specific manner of her death. If a man was gangraped and butchered (which also isn't unheard of), it would be just as terrible, IMO.

The "other issue" was already implied clearly enough for several to recognize it. She wasn't on the video, either live or dead, whereas the other lost members of that unit were. Since she's not likely to be a natural SERE expert as a gift from God, her absense from that video leads to a presumption that she's been segregated and singled out for "special" treatment.

Yes, similar torture inflicted on a male would be just as terrible.

Her death is tragic no matter what, because a young life has been snuffed out by others before its time.

We actually agree on one point.

[Starchild]

Ah sloww, you're as gentlemanly as you are hu...err, well we'll just leave those rumours to the side, shall we?

[Pekka]

First of all I want to say that I'm very sorry she was stolen from her loved ones. Seems like she was/is sweet girl.

This is the biggest reason I don't want women in army. I serve with them sure, and have respect for them, just like any other guy, but there are certain problems like these. Also these are big blows to morale. You guys said they won't let women to combat in the front? If they were aloud to do that, I believe many men would have problems because they would feel the need to protect her, even if she was a good soldier who can take care of herself. It's human nature I guess.. so those are big problems. There are many jobs in the army that are very suitable for women too, like the one she was doing for example.. too bad they got ambushed though.. I don't mean to be chauvinist, but if it was up to me, I wouldn't let women in the army. Only as medics in back lines where it's safer. Not because they couldn't fight, but because men are like that.

[Pekka]

I also believe that if they were captured, the men would try to protect her and could not take it if the enemy was giving some hard interrogation and beatings.. they'd spill their guts out. Of course these are not facts, but this is the way I see it, until proven otherwise.

edit: and as a sidenote, if I captured woman soldier, I wouldn't rape her or kill her because she would be more valuable alive. Maybe more valuable than the men. So I don't know, maybe she still is with us? I hope so..

[SlowwHand]

Rumours? That's one of my favourite albums.


Other than that, don't believe all you hear.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
It was far milder than my original reaction. "Stricter" doesn't mean everyone has to tiptoe around.

Dan and I were pretty clear on what has likely happened, and you interjected your flippant little retort that was off base by miles.

I wasn't responding to what you and Dan had said...I was responding to Starchild's post. That's why I quoted his post in mine. While you might think everyone would be addressing your almighty posts, that wasn't the case here. I don't have a clue as to what you're getting offended at.

And I'd already responded to that point.

Good for you--but I was responding to Starchild.

The "other issue" was already implied clearly enough for several to recognize it. She wasn't on the video, either live or dead, whereas the other lost members of that unit were. Since she's not likely to be a natural SERE expert as a gift from God, her absense from that video leads to a presumption that she's been segregated and singled out for "special" treatment.

That's all terrible, and grounds for concern...but I wasn't addressing that at all.

Yes, similar torture inflicted on a male would be just as terrible.

We actually agree on one point.

Well, two, then, but I'm not at all sure what you're disagreeing with in what I initially said.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by monkspider


How so, comrade?

the "drift" is that she is feared dead, and to my knowledge, there has been no confirmation.

the fact that she might have been captured, rather than killed, combined with the fact that she is a decent looking woman serving the "infadels", could lead to things i would deem worse than death.

i fear for all soldiers captured by a dying regime.

[AnnC]

For the record, eight soldiers from the 507th Maintenance Company went missing after the March 23 ambush. Two are women.

Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch, 19, Palestine, W.Va.
Army Spc. James Kiehl, 22, Comfort, Texas
Army Pvt. Brandon Sloan, 19, Bedford Heights, Ohio
Army Pfc. Lori Piestewa, 22, Tuba City, Ariz.
Army Sgt. Donald Walters, 33, Salem, Ore.
Army Master Sgt. Robert J. Dowdy, 38, Cleveland, Ohio
Army Pvt. Ruben Estrella-Soto, 18, El Paso, Texas
Army Chief Warrant Officer Johnny Villareal Mata, 35, El Paso, Texas

Source

I wonder why The Sun didn't do a story about Lori Piestewa.

[SlowwHand]

Edit. Thinking of wrong woman.
Lot of Texans.

[AnnC]

because she wasn't pictured alive?

More likely because she isn't a blonde "country girl".

However, she is a mother of two young children and that makes the situation all the more tragic.

[SlowwHand]

We cross-posted, but I doubt that's the case.

[Sava]

It's a shame that wars aren't fought by the 4ssholes that start them.

[Dom Pedro II]

Whatever happened to the days when the king would have to lead the soldiers? Or at least the generals...

[DanS]

Sloww: We're talking about The Sun. You can be sure there were some editorial decisions made.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Sava
It's a shame that wars aren't fought by the 4ssholes that start them.

Or at least not be started by chicken**** draft-dodgers.