Again, I'm not knocking Franks, I'm just saying that I would expect anyone (meaning someone who climbs to the highest ranks of a first-world military) in his position to do just as well. It's pretty easy to react to things well when you have just about every conceivable advantage from the get go, most of which is so heavily skewed in your favor as to be completely rediculous.
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Originally posted by Azazel
Am I the only one thinking that this somewhat resembles the German march through the Arc in Paris?If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw
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Originally posted by spiritof1202
How is Basrah tactically different from Baghdad?
Dan - that's ok, I'll handle it with my usual humility.When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."
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Originally posted by Kontiki
Again, I'm not knocking Franks, I'm just saying that I would expect anyone (meaning someone who climbs to the highest ranks of a first-world military) in his position to do just as well. It's pretty easy to react to things well when you have just about every conceivable advantage from the get go, most of which is so heavily skewed in your favor as to be completely rediculous.
There are those who take overwhelming superiority and turn it into a draw. McClellan. There are those who take an inferior positon and win by craft. Lee, Rommel, Hannibal. There are those who take overwhelming superioty, like the US over Iraq, and perform way beyond expectations.
Tommy Frank's campaign is already stuff of legend.Last edited by Ned; April 8, 2003, 22:35.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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All last evening CNN (I know, consider the source) was running a scroll that F-14s (and A-10s) were bombing downtown Baghdad.
F-14s!! Did they drive the KittyHawk up the Tigris??
I'm sure they have the range to do a round trip, but tell me there is almost 0% chance that F-14s are that far north.Be the bid!
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Originally posted by Ned
Tommy Frank's campaign is already stuff of legend.
(a) It ain't over yet. Knocking over a third world country disfunctional as a result of twelve years of sanctions and a wacky dictator isn't much of a challenge. It's turning it to a functional country afterwards that's the problem.
This campaign is about as "legendary" as knocking over Grenada or Panama. The whole notion of the Iraqis anytime soon comprising a credible threat to the region or to the US is a joke.
Sten: Yeah, if they refuel, F-14's can easily get up there. They launch light, and refuel shortly after takeoff, then proceed at cruise, top off at the local KC-10 filling station, and then go do their thing.When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."
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Originally posted by Ned
Hah, Compare Montgomery to Patton. Compare McClellan to Grant.
There are those who take overwhelming superioty and turn into a draw. There are those who take an inferior positon and win by craft. Lee, Rommel, Hannibal. There are those who take overwhelming superioty, like the US over Iraq, and perform way beyond expectations.
Tommy Frank's campaign is already stuff of legend.
Had the RG put up a fight then we would not be here with someone calling Frank's attack brilliant..if it was airstrikes that broke the Rg then its the guy who put otgether the airwar that should get kudos, but the fact is that someone does not become "legendary" becuase the enemy turned out to be weaker than anyone expected.If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw
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Oh come on - this isn't brilliant. You get no laurels for defeating a third rate enemy.Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..
Look, I just don't anymore, okay?
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Originally posted by Sten Sture
MtG - but would they be sending F-14s on bombing runs to Baghdad? Seems like round peg/square hole...
They were linking footage of B-1Bs at the time so I assumed they just got a bad ID.
We jumped lots of troops in Panama that we could have just landed. A lot of the FUBARs in Grenada were a result of interservice BS, in both directions.
The USMC was operating in reinforced regimental force in Nasiriyah, but we had to use USAF air commandos and spec ops people, we had to have the Marines make their diversion, and make sure Rangers, Special Forces and SEALs each had their role to play. Tactical or operational necessity? Hell no, but a live POW rescue is the biggest thing since Son Tay, so all the SOCOM operators had to get a little piece of that action.When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."
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"we"? somtimes you sound like you're directing opsAny views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..
Look, I just don't anymore, okay?
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Originally posted by obiwan18
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Don't use a quote box in your sig.
It's much easier if you just use quotation marks.
Fixed, now, though. Thanks for the tip!The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty…we will be remembered in spite of ourselves… The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the last generation… We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.
- A. Lincoln
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