The Battle of Baghdad

[DanS]

Coming soon to a living room near you.

So where is the 3rd Infantry Division units that have been blacked out for TV for 2 days after moving 200 miles in the first two days? What about the airfields that have been secured in Western Iraq? When will the 4th Infantry Division show up? Will the weather impede the advance? Here's a good overview...

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EC25Ak01.html

And here's a good wall map (large)...

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/iraq_wall_full_2003.jpg

[Drake Tungsten]

Is Batman a real Turkish town? I saw it on a map awhile ago and thought it was a funny name for a US base, like Camp Snoopy. Your wall map makes it seem like a real town, however. So which is it? Is Batman a real (and hilariously named) Turkish town?

[Zylka]

If Iraqi citizens are not permitted to flee the capital, does that make them human shields?

[Daz]

*sheesh*

Maybe they're not permitted fleeing to avoid the "coalition troops" blasting their buses to meet Allah.

On topic: Baghdad in not likely to fall at all. I know the coalition would love the population to flee so they can "take the city apart" but thats not going to happen.

The best way to "capture" the city is by treason. Kill Saddam and "install" some kind of new government. Cities can take on overwhelming military forces. Remember Stalingrad?

[Fidel]

no, that makes them victims of angloamerican agression

[Zylka]

Right, because we all know it's in American interests to murder Iraqi war refugees. Gotta get the oil somehow, ya know...

[Daz]

no. it just shows what a bunch of trigger happy rednecks they are...

..human shields... sheesh... where did you hear that? on CNN?

PS.. gotta stop this... Ming is gonna kick our a$$e$.

[Fidel]

okay i read dan's site and the map shows coalition advances where there have been none. like, crossing euphrates (hasn't happened yet), taking of basra and ummkasr.
i am aware of the fact that people never lie like they do in war, so it surprises me that so many of our angloamerican posters jumped on propaganda bandwagon. i guess it is called 'patriotism'

some of my friends told me that any antiwar discussion on american campuses has been discontinued ever since the war started. is that self-censorship or political corectness?

[problem_child]

that's like asking "Is that red or scarlet?" LaRusso

[Demerzel]

Originally posted by LaRusso
some of my friends told me that any antiwar discussion on american campuses has been discontinued ever since the war started. is that self-censorship or political corectness?

I'm guessing, that just maybe, they consider any anti-war discussion to be disrespectful at a time when their nation's servicemen are losing their lives?

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Demerzel


I'm guessing, that just maybe, they consider any anti-war discussion to be disrespectful at a time when their nation's servicemen are losing their lives?

Why? Didn't every single one of them volonteer?

[Demerzel]

I think it's fine to discuss anti-war things pre-war but when the troops are actually in there and are laying down their lives if necessary, then you should be getting behind your country's fighting men and women.

[Daz]

They're AFAIK mercenaries, right?

[problem_child]

Why is debating a war considered disrespectful to troops in the field? Just because people are fighting, doesn't mean you rae betraying them or hoping they will fail and die just because you are asking 'should they be there in the first place?'

[CerberusIV]

Originally posted by LaRusso

some of my friends told me that any antiwar discussion on american campuses has been discontinued ever since the war started. is that self-censorship or political corectness?

There was a programme on TV here last night about the increase in scholarships funded by the US military. Being a cynical sort of person I guess the US education industry would not want to be too critical of a source of money.