The Star Wars vs Star Trek Thread; because it's been awhile.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Lonestar


...You'd much rather be a drone in the collective? I'd bet most feddies wouldn't.

Also, the Borg are nortoriously poor adapters. The small Starfleet Squadron that was fighting the Cube in First Contact was carving off sections of the Borg Cube.

Yes, but it takes an incredbly amount of damage to even begin to disrupt a cubes function.

And lets not forget they can travel in time

And species 8472 kicked their little hienies

Yes! And their ships were only vulnerable to 1 type of weapon!! They would be immune to all Empire attacks.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

That will do for a start. We can also deal with the ships escaping from Hoth in full view of a stardestroyer along with thier inability to take out the ion canon.

The Executor's death wasn't because some snub fighter got through its defenses, actually.

Ackbar ordered all rebel ships to concentrate their firepower on the SSD. This was a combination of MonCal cruisers, frigates and the fighters--a huge amount of firepower. The sheer volume of incoming firepower overloaded Executor's deflector shields, causing them to drop (temporarily, probably). But sheer luck stepped in here...A fighter was able to destroy one of the sensor globes, which limited the ship's targeting capacity. Even still, the Executor's point-defense guns accurately hit an incoming A-Wing fighter from the side, which is an incredible shot on a fighter zipping in at that speed. And then luck sent the crippled fighter into the bridge.

Had the fighter not hit the bridge (by chance), the Executor wouldn't have been destroyed like that(though the onslaught of every Rebel ship may still have eventually destroyed it).

You didn't give me one. Hell, I even pointed you to a better one.

So you just dismissed the entire argument that it is impossible for turbolasers to be "lasers"? How is that a refuation? It's just a dismissal sans explanation.

[Boris Godunov]

As for Hoth...the ISDs were being disabled by then ion cannon. The ion cannon was behind a planetary shield...ya know, the one the Empire had to land troops under in order to take out the generator?

[Static Universe]

The Empire's technology is crap. If their shields and sensors are so advanced, explain to me how the Millenium Falcon, without cloaking of any kind, can just land on the side of a Star Destroyer and hide out for a while?

[GePap]

The difference is thus:

Since Star Wars never gived a damn about science (Lucas made the thing up without regar to science, and only after him did people try to fill in the "science of Star Wars"), they were able top make up a universe of things so adavnced that any other science fiction universe that did, at least at a few point, try to sick to some sort of science, would lose. (well, besides that stupid Q notion in Star Trek)

So, since the Star wars universe might as well be based on Magic, they win!

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Because the fact is that he loves the human race

News Flash: Imperials are Humans, too.

And again, where was he when the humans were being wiped up by the Dominion?

No, I'm saying the Empire is stronger than the Federation

If you say the Federation would rather face the Borg, because the Borg would be easier to defeat, that is de facto saying the Empire is stronger than the Borg, dear sir.

Fact is we have no way of knowing how ANY of the technology would be able to combat each other Therefore the debate it pointless.

Prerequisite for the debate is a suspension of disbelief, yes.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Static Universe
The Empire's technology is crap. If their shields and sensors are so advanced, explain to me how the Millenium Falcon, without cloaking of any kind, can just land on the side of a Star Destroyer and hide out for a while?

Oh, you mean why wasn't the ISD able to detect the Best smuggler in the galaxy?

Think about that for a moment.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Static Universe
The Empire's technology is crap. If their shields and sensors are so advanced, explain to me how the Millenium Falcon, without cloaking of any kind, can just land on the side of a Star Destroyer and hide out for a while?

Funny how Federation ships can't detect a ship parked on the north pole of a planet thanks to some gravitational gobbledy-gook, even though they should be able to visibly see it by looking out the window at it...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Funny how Federation ships can't detect a ship parked on the north pole of a planet thanks to some gravitational gobbledy-gook, even though they should be able to visibly see it by looking out the window at it...

That's very defferent from being unable to detect someone attached to your very hull.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

That's very defferent from being unable to detect someone attached to your very hull.

Unless, of course, you're competing against the best smuggler in the galaxy, as Lonestar pointed out.

Leaving work to console recently-dumped friend. Latah!

[Nubclear]

Argh!!! I'm not geeky enough for this debate I pull out.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Unless, of course, you're competing against the best smuggler in the galaxy, as Lonestar pointed out.

Who happens to be attached to the hull of your ship! There aren't many ways you can get around that.

[raghar]

Russians? Europeans?

Funny I thought Vulcans are elfs.
Klingons are orcs.
You get the idea isn't it. Fantasy was popular and SF needed some fresh ideas.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Who happens to be attached to the hull of your ship! There aren't many ways you can get around that.

As opposed to ships moving in to within a few kilometers and beaming people on board? I think not.

[GePap]

DD: you are arguing againt a "scifi" universe made up by George Lucas! The 'science of SW" is just a bunch of stuff mader up by fans after the movies ina desperate attempt to turn a space western into real sci fi. There is no way to win, specially given how much Star trek was screwed up by stupid writing as it went along.