Coalition grows. Old Europe still pouting.

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by hexagonian


...and dithering and do-nothing appeasement almost handed Europe over to Germany during WWII, not to mention the lives of countless Jews, Slavs and other people considerd inferior by Hitler.

as well as millions of Russians caught in the crosshairs of Stalin.

America might want to stop reminiscing about its past glory and hoping that the world would therefore be eternally grateful, submissive, and obedient.

As far as the rest of the world is concerned, America is inching closer and closer to being Hitler and Stalin, not defeating them.

As I have said again and again: this is not even about Saddam any more. America went into Kosovo, as well as Iraq the first time, with very little problems from the rest of the world. The problem is the utter comtempt and disregard that America has for the rest of the world ever since the new administration took power.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by ranskaldan
As far as the rest of the world is concerned, America is inching closer and closer to being Hitler and Stalin, not defeating them.

Oh gosh. Is that what they're doing in Area 51?

[SKILORD]

Originally posted by ranskaldan


America might want to stop reminiscing about its past glory and hoping that the world would therefore be eternally grateful, submissive, and obedient.

When did it end? Please point out where in History the world stopped being American. I beleive that simply because we have lost world favor means nothing. So what? That makes us no less powerful.

As far as the rest of the world is concerned, America is inching closer and closer to being Hitler and Stalin, not defeating them.

That's a nice twist on the Hitler analogy. I almost like it. When did we start persecuting minorities?

As I have said again and again: this is not even about Saddam any more. America went into Kosovo, as well as Iraq the first time, with very little problems from the rest of the world. The problem is the utter comtempt and disregard that America has for the rest of the world ever since the new administration took power.

No, we do not have any contempt for the rest of the world, if we did we never would have bothered with the UN. We tried to get support, getting a mixed response we proceeded to do what we found right.

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by SKILORD

When did it end? Please point out where in History the world stopped being American. I beleive that simply because we have lost world favor means nothing. So what? That makes us no less powerful.

If that is really the mentality of America, then your stint at world domination will end quite soon.

All leaders ride on the support and devotion of their followers. Without support, things get much more difficult, no matter how powerful you are. I'm sure you've already that seen in recently in Iraq - look how much harder it was than Kosovo.

And if you go on like this, it'll get harder. This is how empires fall.

That's a nice twist on the Hitler analogy. I almost like it. When did we start persecuting minorities?

Nah, that analogy is for effect. Of course America won't be herding minorities into camps - that'd be so obvious.

No, we do not have any contempt for the rest of the world, if we did we never would have bothered with the UN. We tried to get support, getting a mixed response we proceeded to do what we found right.

The rest of the world saw exactly how the US entered into the UN with much reluctance, and already set on war. They saw how Americans decided to start attacking before everyone agreed that the inspections were done. They also saw how Americans went around the Security Council and conducts the war unilaterally.

I don't exactly care if you find it right or wrong. The absolute lack of tact, respect, or even acknowledgement for other nations is astounding.

In the meantime, there are other little things that happened before Iraq. Like Kyoto. And the criminal court. etc.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by ranskaldan
Poisoning the well.

Go look that up if you want. It's the name of a common fallacy.

There are a few more.

1. Composition. Just because Tassadar pointing out Israel having the most UN resolutions it doesn't mean he hates Israel.

2. False Cause (Non-Sequitur). Hates Israel is not a necessary and sufficient cause of hating the US.

3. Slippery Slope.

4. Strawman. See 1.

I could go on

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Lincoln
Apolyton leans to the left. Take a poll here someday. Many have been taken in the past. But maybe it has changed recently, but I don't think so. Anyway, I am off to bed. Night all...

It means squat unless we have agreed upon on where "the centre" is.

[Drake Tungsten]

God Bless America...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Let me help you out. Zero would be the right answer.

Zero is the wrong answer. This list should prove to be illustrating.

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
God Bless America...

Sigh.

Sometimes when I look at America, I am reminded of what happened to China at the end of the imperial days. It's almost sad...

[Spiffor]

Ranskaldan :
Drake was trolling.

[Drake Tungsten]

It's almost sad...

So is your oppression of the Tibetans, Uighurs and members of Falun Gong. Time to get off that high horse...

[ranskaldan]

That came out of nowhere...

To continue UR's exposition of fallacies, this is known as a red herring.

Now go back to that other thread you came from.

[Spiffor]

Why are you attacking Ran's country, rather than his arguments ?

[Drake Tungsten]

Why are you attacking Ran's country, rather than his arguments ?

That's what we one-trick ponies do. We bring up whatever mistakes a country has made and use them to question the motives of whatever action that country is currently undertaking. This covers up the distinct lack of evidence and logic behind our arguments...

[Edan]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000


:lol Does Iraq border the US? If not, then I really dont think we need to fear them

Does Afghanistan border the US?

Israel......I keep mentioning Israel.

Which resolutions against Israel have a mandate under chapter 7 that authorizes use of force?