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    President George W Bush said after a Cabinet meeting on Thursday that "over 40 nations now support our efforts. We are grateful for their determination, we appreciate their vision and we welcome their support".

    Earlier, the president's spokesman, Ari Fleischer, said that the "coalition of the willing" was made up of countries of every race and faith, on every continent, with a population of 1.18bn and a GDP of $27 trillion.

    He said the coalition was growing all the time, but put the number at 35.

    And Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said it was larger than that assembled during the first Gulf War in 1991.

    On Tuesday, the state department had released a list of 30 countries who support the US position on Iraq, and provided some kind of material assistance, while an additional 15 countries were said to be supporting US efforts, but unable to go public.

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    But a state department spokeswoman on Thursday said that there were no plans to release any additional names, as the situation was still fluid, and the number was growing all the time.


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    However she said that around 35 countries have now publicly backed the US, some of them countries which had previously preferred to be anonymous.

    It is understood that Iceland, Kuwait and possibly Cyprus may be on the expanded list.

    The state department also says that the total number of countries supporting the US publicly or privately, is around 45 - making the total the same as on Tuesday.

    Only a few of these countries are providing any major military presence in the Gulf, notably Britain and Australia.

    Mr Fleischer said that 85% of the military effort was American.

    Arab absence

    The list is most extraordinary for the countries that are left off - which include nearly all of the Arab states, even those countries like Qatar and Bahrain, where US and British forces have been based ahead of the invasion.

    With feelings running high in the Arab world against invading Iraq, presumably these countries felt it wise not to be publicly identified with the US action.

    Nor is the main US ally in the Middle East, Israel, mentioned.

    And traditional US Arab allies, like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, clearly did not want to associate themselves with military action against Saddam Hussein.

    Range of support


    The list includes countries which are providing troops, over-flight or basing rights, logistical support or assistance with reconstruction efforts.

    In the latter category are Japan and South Korea, which are only prepared to provide post-conflict financial support for the reconstruction of Iraq.

    Many of the countries on the list are from Eastern Europe, where countries like Romania are providing basing rights, while Poland has offered 200 troops and the Czech Republic is sending a chemical-biological warfare support unit.

    It was not clear what support countries like Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Iceland were providing to the US coalition, but some are seeking US financial or military support through Nato.

    Mr Fleischer said it was not surprising that countries which had recently moved from tyranny to liberty would support the liberation of Iraq.

    And the US had promises of support from some of the countries which are already involved in the war on terrorism, including Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Georgia and the Philippines.

    The US was surprisingly unsuccessful in gaining any allies in its traditional backyard of Latin America.

    Only El Salvador, Nicaragua and Colombia - where the US is funding a huge anti-drugs war - were prepared to be identified with the US coalition.

    And the only two African countries which are on the list, Ethiopia and Eritrea, are bitter rivals who are both seeking US support in a boundary dispute.



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    Tuesday list of coalition countries:

    Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan.

    Possible additions: Kuwait, Cyprus, Iceland, Bahrain, Qatar.


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  • #2
    Kuwait's already in the list, considering it was the staging area for the invasion.

    Big deal, so 35 countries out of 195 say they're with us. There are three countries sending troops, and we're one of them. That's all that count, us, the UK, and Australia. Everything else is just shoe kissing.
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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    • #3
      over-flight or basing rights, logistical support or assistance with reconstruction efforts.
      Well, then I don´t know what you guys are complaining about - we´re providing that too....
      Blah

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      • #4
        You do realize that nearly all of these countries are facing massive opposition -- from their own peoples?

        When approval of America starts going down to Middle Eastern levels - in both old and new Europe - something is very wrong. And I'm not just talking about demonstrations that look nice on TV -- the cold hard poll numbers are going way down.

        The governments might want to work with America, but the people do not. And the governments are apprehensive about that --> they need to ride the crest of popular sentiment, after all.

        Perhaps it is time for America to put away the illusion of international support and wake up to the fact that they have squandered much of the international goodwill accumulated during and after the Cold War.
        Poor silly humans. A temporarily stable pattern of matter and energy stumbles upon self-cognizance for a moment, and suddenly it thinks the whole universe was created for its benefit. -- mbelleroff

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        • #5
          Anyway, old Europe will come aboard after the dirty work is done -- as usual we fight and they *****.

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          • #6
            Where's New Europe?
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • #7
              New Europe is mostly countries with governments that are in danger of losing their next elections.
              Poor silly humans. A temporarily stable pattern of matter and energy stumbles upon self-cognizance for a moment, and suddenly it thinks the whole universe was created for its benefit. -- mbelleroff

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              • #8
                "New Europe" is supposedly the countries that were recently freed from Soviet domination. I guess they know the meaning of oppression. A lesson that old Europe seems to have forgotten.

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                • #9
                  Earlier, the president's spokesman, Ari Fleischer, said that the "coalition of the willing" was made up of countries of every race and faith, on every continent, with a population of 1.18bn and a GDP of $27 trillion.
                  Try counting how many actual PEOPLE, out of the whole 6 billion on earth, support the war.

                  Ooops!

                  Try counting how many of them would actually support a war, EVEN IF the American President were not obsessed with it.

                  Ooops!

                  Try counting how many of them are SERIOUS about it.

                  Ooops!

                  It looks like the coalition really consists of just 6 people:
                  Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz and Perle.

                  Not even Blair wouldn't want a war if it weren't for Bush.
                  "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
                  George Orwell

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                  • #10
                    They're just as old as Old Europe, and a hell of a lot nastier too. Slavs are scary people.
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lincoln
                      "New Europe" is supposedly the countries that were recently freed from Soviet domination. I guess they know the meaning of oppression. A lesson that old Europe seems to have forgotten.
                      With 11% of Romanians and 5% of Bulgarians supporting a unilateral Iraqi war, I agree that new Europe hasn't forgotten the meaning of oppression yet.
                      Poor silly humans. A temporarily stable pattern of matter and energy stumbles upon self-cognizance for a moment, and suddenly it thinks the whole universe was created for its benefit. -- mbelleroff

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                      • #12
                        Slavs are scary people.
                        Tsk, tsk! Stereotyping, are we?
                        "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
                        George Orwell

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                        • #13
                          How does anyone know how many actual people support the war? Who is going to count them?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by axi


                            Tsk, tsk! Stereotyping, are we?
                            Some of my best friends are Slavs.
                            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                            • #15
                              Well, if the only statistics you trust are the ones where EVERYONE is counted, then I'm afraid there isn't too much information available right now.

                              E.g., we don't really know that America's GDP is higher than Iraq's... you know, we didn't count every single dollar.
                              Poor silly humans. A temporarily stable pattern of matter and energy stumbles upon self-cognizance for a moment, and suddenly it thinks the whole universe was created for its benefit. -- mbelleroff

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