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partially, my friend, but not entirely. See, the US currently only gets about 14% (IIRC) of our oil from the ME, and the US has been rapidly moving to other sources since 9/11 (for the very reasons you speak of), such as Venezuela and the rapidly expanding Russian oil market, which has and will diminish this percentage of our ME oil imports even more.Originally posted by Spiffor
This war is sure not all about oil, but is partly about oil. The US need a reliable source of oil to deal with Saudi Arabia, terrorism-financer extraordinaire (I have been more detailed in several other posts, and I get bored writing the same thing over and over again, so no details for you
). So far, the US were handcuffed by Saudi, which explains how low the tensions are, with a regime obviously linked with terrorism and Al Qaeda.
I suppose you would agree with this statement, K.
Also, under the UN program of "food for oil", the US can obtain most all of the cheap oil it needs from Iraq... Saddam is more than willing to supply, for the extra cash he scraps up from this. There is no need to invade Iraq for oil, IN THE SHORT TERM, a we have all the supply we would ever need, UNDER THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES.
these are all arguements i have posted many time before, along with others, that clearly refute the idea of this being a war just for oil.
However, the fear of Saddams WoMD does create a fear that he could sieze his neighbors, and hold a world coalition at bay by threatening Israel or somethn with his WoMD - effectively holding them hostage. In essence, he would then capture a major world supply of oil (Iraq's own, along with whatever countries he captures, like kuwait and/or Saudi Arabia or somethn), and with his new position, he would not be obligated nor need to comply with the food for oil program. Tho the US doesnt get much oil from there anyway, Japan and Europe do (70%, IIRC). How Saddam would handle the supply is creepy, If he just sat on it, oil prices would spike world wide, and the effects on the economy would be drastic, which, there is no reason to believe Saddam wouldnt do this.
So, in a way, the war is partially for oil IN A STRATEGIC sense, i never have disputed this, i have only disputed those who say it is "all about oil and the greedy Imperialist americans wanting to capitalize at the expense of the poor innocent Iraqi people..."
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I believe Russia is actually the biggest producer of oilAmerica is the biggest productor of oil in the world also we are the biggest user of oil and the biggest waster of oil in the world.
Tho, the US is by far the biggest consumer of oil.
How do you waste oil, out of curiosity?"I bet Ikarus eats his own spunk..."
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I would seriously LOVE to see the UK and US kicked out of the UN."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Why?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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If that I happened, i would then love to see half the UN walk out and follow USUK. We're counting on you CanadiansOriginally posted by Asher
I would seriously LOVE to see the UK and US kicked out of the UN.
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He's obviously not American.Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Where are you from, again?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Because then the UN would become more irrelevant than it already is, and the US/UK would go form the Joint Nations or something instead and continue where they left off...Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why?
A whole bunch of piddly, nothing nations would be left in the UN. It'd be fantastic to see."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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i agreeOriginally posted by Asher
Because then the UN would become more irrelevant than it already is, and the US/UK would go form the Joint Nations or something instead and continue where they left off...
A whole bunch of piddly, nothing nations would be left in the UN. It'd be fantastic to see."I bet Ikarus eats his own spunk..."
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I'm not sure whether such a motion is possible, but if it were it would be vetoed by both nations, voted against by the vast majority, and abstained on by the rest.
And BTW, I know he's been around for a while, but with a post this ridiculous....
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I know, but he's claiming otherwise.Originally posted by DinoDoc
He's obviously not American.No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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His writting is indeed suspect... and how appropriate that the DL claims to be from El Paso texas... perfect stereotype texas town a foreigner might think of...Originally posted by The Mad Monk
I know, but he's claiming otherwise."I bet Ikarus eats his own spunk..."
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He's 52 according to his profile. That's a bit early to become senile...
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hes posted a ton too (199 when i checked)... so if hes a DL, hes a very determined one. Perhaps hes just a Euro poster pretending to be american... or maybe hes an immigrant?"I bet Ikarus eats his own spunk..."
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Is this guy for real?
Sorry, I've been keeping an eye on this thread and I just had to comment on this.
My solution if the UK and US get kicked out is to have them make the 'Western Alliance'.
The UK makes the best beer on Earth. America has all of it's kick a** cars.Despot-(1a) : a ruler with absolute power and authority (1b) : a person exercising power tyrannically
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