Bush Speech Thread

[ThePlagueRat]

Originally posted by Joseph
We did it to stop a war. Your boy Stalin and Hitler did it for the fun of it (mass genocide).

Ok, intentions were all right. The war was ended,
but it was still a nuke, and then the Geneva convention came.
This means USA should now disarm themself of nukes,
or face sanctions from the civilized world. It was a warcrime.
And I don't blame no american citizen for it, I just blame the generals and the prez.

Don't you guys see?!
Your administration do the same as Saddam is doing.
Did they really manage to brainwash the US population too?

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[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Sinapus




So basically, if someone disagrees with you then he's not "educated" or "thinking"? How convenient. Does this mean I should comment quite praisingly on the majesty of your imperial vestments as well to further prove that I'm "educated" and "thinking"?

Disagreement with me is a matter of opinion rather than education. Disagreement with a politician's lies is another thing. Educated or "thinking" people have a higher probability to disagree with a leader than others who just absorb all the bullsh!t. It's harder to convince thinking people by using lies. Do you mean that you actually believed every word Bush said? Iraq/Al-Queda links and all?

By the way, call my uneducated if you want, but who are you poetically referring to as "the majesty of my imperial vestments"?

[Ned]

Originally posted by ThePlagueRat


Ok, intentions were all right. The war was ended,
but it was still a nuke, and then the Geneva convention came.
This means USA should now disarm themself of nukes,
or face sanctions from the civilized world. It was a warcrime.
And I don't blame no american citizen for it, I just blame the generals and the prez.

Don't you guys see?!
Your administration do the same as Saddam is doing.
Did they really manage to brainwash the US population too?

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TPR, there is a treaty on point. It is called the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. The treaty distinguishes between those powers that have nuclear weapons from those that do not. It calls for the IAEA to supervise compliance with respect to those countries that do not have nuclear weapons. With respect to countries that do have nuclear weapons, such as the United States, France, Great Britain, Russia and China, the treaty calls for a gradual reduction of the the nuclear weapons to zero by mutually negotiated treaties.

The United States and countries directly threatened by nukes seem to be among the only countries concerned about further proliferation. For example: only the United States, the UK, Bulgaria and Spain seemed to be truly concerned about the disarming Saddam Hussein. The whole world is looking to the United States to solve the problem of North Korea. Also, no one seems to be truly concerned about Iran, that is, except for Israel.

Regarding the United States own nuclear weapons, surely you know, that United States has been negotiating significant reductions of its own nuclear stockpile in coordination with Russia. We just signed a treaty that would reduce our own stockpile by a one third, IIRC.

So get off your high horse on this issue. United States is abiding by its treaty obligations. I wish you would ask why countries other than the US, the UK and a few others are not concerned about proliferation. They may be willing to mouth platitudes about disarmament; but they are signularly unwilling to do anything about it.

[raghar]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless


What are you talking about? The truth is s that we delivered 2 bombs into Khadafi's bedrooms, and he has been quiet since then.

Poor girl she was just adopted.

Iraqis had even more your Russian made SAMs back in 1991, we mopped floor with them.

There was some order about not attacking Migs 29. isn't it... Well, IR from ground did good job.

And T72s, supposedly advanced Russian MBTs, were blewn to pieces like target practices. We didn't lose a single M1.

So you compare old Russian tanks in Arabians hands on open terain with attacking tanks with gun stabilization?
M1 vs tank launched anti tank missiles would be more intersting in 1991. Russians tanks have more advantages than being simple specialized mobile gun

Finally, you guys struggled so badly and are still struggling against the pathetic Chechens. You need to check your own past military records before bragging about how "great" Russia's military is.

I'd reccomend do not speak about Chechens less you know some of them personaly and visited Chechnia. There is different view of them depends on how far are you from them. Ask some people from Daghestan.

If you would visit Chechnia I hope you'd not kidnaped for too long.



{ oup my fault. I responded and didn't read this thread to the end. Some point was possibly done twice. ]

[Ned]

Originally posted by Olaf HÃ¥rfagre


Disagreement with me is a matter of opinion rather than education. Disagreement with a politician's lies is another thing. Educated or "thinking" people have a higher probability to disagree with a leader than others who just absorb all the bullsh!t. It's harder to convince thinking people by using lies. Do you mean that you actually believed every word Bush said? Iraq/Al-Queda links and all?

Bush was not lying.

Bush seems the most honest president we've had very, very long time.

If you think he's lying on any particular point, please, direct us to facts that disprove what he said. If the issue is not about "facts," but instead about "intentions," of course all politicians cannot tell you the entire truth, can they?

[Spiffor]

How come your administration promised super-duper proofs that Iraq had WoMD, and ended up showing two elements : a tape supposedly between two high-end officers and some pics among which pics from 10 years ago ?
Was it the terrible set of proof which clearly shown how Saddam had WoMD and the ways to deliver them ?

I don't accuse Bush of lying more than the others. Actually, his team's arrogance has the merit to be less hypocritical and less liar than others. But Bush still clearly lies on his intentions. No one wages a war, spends billions and risks lives to remove a dictator. I wonder who buys that.

[Sinapus]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Sinapus : do you really believe your administration will dramatically increase its military budget and deficit (which is also yours), throw billions out of the window and risk American lives to save foreign people for a dictatorship ? Do you really believe the Hawks that rule the White House are that altruistic ?

My remark:

by SinapusSo basically, if someone disagrees with you then he's not "educated" or "thinking"? How convenient.

snipped part directed at Olaf



Are you saying that anyone who supports the war must believe as you describe above?

[Sinapus]

Originally posted by Olaf HÃ¥rfagre


Disagreement with me is a matter of opinion rather than education. Disagreement with a politician's lies is another thing.

Especially if it's your views about a politician.

Educated or "thinking" people have a higher probability to disagree with a leader than others who just absorb all the bullsh!t. It's harder to convince thinking people by using lies. Do you mean that you actually believed every word Bush said? Iraq/Al-Queda links and all?

Did I say that?

By the way, call my uneducated if you want, but who are you poetically referring to as "the majesty of my imperial vestments"?

"The Emperor's New Clothes"

Maybe you should avoid calling people who don't follow your viewpoint "trailer-park trash" in the future. You look rather naked.

[raghar]

Originally posted by Sava
DL do the DL party!

No dual login. Just DiaL up / pay per minute. Well kazaa is killer and I overdid my kredit a little. So lets party next mounth.
And if you'd think that my posts are strange well posts of Dark fantasy writer should be strange. "I'm not troll I'm dark elven "

To be honest I'm lost without a corrector.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ned


Bush was not lying.

Bush seems the most honest president we've had very, very long time.

OMG it hurts...

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Ned


Bush was not lying.

Bush seems the most honest president we've had very, very long time.

If you think he's lying on any particular point, please, direct us to facts that disprove what he said. If the issue is not about "facts," but instead about "intentions," of course all politicians cannot tell you the entire truth, can they?

The most obvious lie was to link Saddam and Al-Queda. Another was to claim that there is a massive international support for the war. Only about 30 countries out of about 200 are for it.

More examples could be read in Spiffor's post above.

[Spiffor]

In answer to sinapus.
Summary :

- Olaf : "Educated, thinking Americans and the rest of the world will not believe the lies he told to motivate the war."

- Sinapus : "So basically, if someone disagrees with you then he's not "educated" or "thinking"? How convenient."

- Spiffor : "do you really believe your administration will dramatically increase its military budget and deficit (which is also yours), throw billions out of the window and risk American lives to save foreign people for a dictatorship ? Do you really believe the Hawks that rule the White House are that altruistic ?"

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Sorry, I thought you were believing the "lies [Bush] told to motivate the war". I don't think pro-war people are ignorant, even though a fair share of them has many misconceptions (especially about comparing him with Hitler). But I do think it is a feat of ignorance or brainwashing to believe this war is an altruistic feat to save people, as Bush would like to make us believe.

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Sinapus


Especially if it's your views about a politician.

Exactly

Did I say that?

No

"The Emperor's New Clothes"

Maybe you should avoid calling people who don't follow your viewpoint "trailer-park trash" in the future. You look rather naked.

Did I say that? Apolytoners don't frequently belong to above mentioned category. However, millions of the addressees of Bush's speech do.

[ThePlagueRat]

The truth is, if you dare to hear it...
All these grotesque military operations U.S. were involved throughout this world the last 50 years has made a world of anger and hatred which is today pointing at U.S.
Historians have warned about this policy for almost 30 years.

The media, who don't bother to go into important issues, fills us with fear and the image of an arabic enemy far away who are after our 'way of life' , or whatever. Yeah, there is madmen all over this world and most of them are in the U.S.
TV-companies are not touching the reasons beyond this whole scheme. No one is required to think! Instead we get loaded with BS.


The american population have been told so many lies and mislead so cunningly by these politicians, that they really are in fear not knowing that just those politicians caused their fear and terror through their own foreign policy. Luckily, some americans are intelligent enough to discover this extreme form of manipulation and uncover the facts of history.

[Sinapus]

Re: trailer-park trash

Originally posted by Olaf HÃ¥rfagre
Apolytoners don't frequently belong to above mentioned category. However, millions of the addressees of Bush's speech do.

Ah, ethnic slurs. Nice of you to dehumanize your opponents to prove your superiority.