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"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead
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Originally posted by ThePlagueRat
You didn't mention all the CIA operations and the funding of the 'Contras' slaughter-milita in Latin american, the coup of Allende and the insertion of dicator Pinochet, it all had US support.
Did I forget to mention CIA training of Osama and their support for Israel. (1950 and 1980 massacres of Palestinians were cleverly covered up and dodged) US involvement with Israel is probably what caused the most hatred in the middle east.
On the military side, you seemed to approve of American actions.
As to the CIA, I am not sure how much the CIA participated in various civil wars throughout the world. However, I sincerely doubt the CIA was directly involved in attrocities. - This may be propaganda.
It is also the subject of the current movie, The Quiet American. You can check out a thread on that movie here in this forum. But the thesis of that movie is that the CIA arranged a major car bombing in Saigon in '52 in order to blame it on the communists. The problem with this "theory" is that the guy that actually did it admitted to doing it. This was a thug named The that allegedly was being financed by the CIA. Why would the CIA arrange for a carbombing to blame in the communists if the guy who did it wanted to take public credit?http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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Originally posted by Ned
What do you mean, "sponsor?"
United States was definitely not promoting democracy.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
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Originally posted by Ned
This was a thug named The that allegedly was being financed by the CIA. Why would the CIA arrange for a carbombing to blame in the communists if the guy who did it wanted to take public credit?"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis
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Originally posted by MrFun
The history of United States throughout the twentieth century shows that the United States has propped up dictatorships during the Cold War as part of the ideological war against communism.
United States was definitely not promoting democracy.
Americans are sometime sickened by the company we have to keep. So sickened that in 1975, Senator Church lead the charge to forbid the CIA from using unsavory characters for intelligence. All this did was lead to 9/11 due to lack of human intelligence. In retrospect, what Church did harmed United States.
I don't know what would happen in the world had we not conducted our foreign-policy the way we did. But the fear at the time was that the Communists would take over the entire world and kill us. An overly particular foreign-policy with respect to allies surely would have contributed to a Communist victory.
But simply saying that we supported unsavory characters without placing it fully in context is unfair. But the left could care less about being fair when it comes to United States.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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Originally posted by MrFun
The history of United States throughout the twentieth century shows that the United States has propped up dictatorships during the Cold War as part of the ideological war against communism.
United States was definitely not promoting democracy.
They did this because they felt it necessary, not because they wanted to nor because they liked the regimes involved.
Now they don't need to do this any longer and can do something about them, particularly given the incentive.
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I think the behaviour Bush Administration - Europe
and Bush Administration - Irak
is almost similar to the behaviour of Athen shortly before the Peloponesian War
Bush Administration/Athen - Europe/Attischer Seebund (sry but I don't know it's translation perhaps Attic Alliance)
Bush Administration/Athen - Irak/Sparta
We have the situation that THE MOST POWERFULL democracy of the world wants to fight a war against Irak. But in my point of view Bush's main intention isn't to establish democracy rather than to establish a global domination of the USA. Don't understand me wrong an US domination is MUCH better than a Irak domination but if you dominate the world and there is no real opposition even a democracy can show a evil beviour.
(like the democratic Athen which exploit it's allys)
Russland, Russland über alles !
Für Gott, Zar und Vaterland !"Et deus dixit fiat lux !"
"Everything is proceeding as i have foreseen."
"I love Democracy Ilove the Republic ..."
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No offense intended, it's just very amusing to see that offspring of Czarism under a German flag, using past German slogans. Makes me think what we have caught along with Perestroika and Glasnost. Oh well, may be he's just a ... I mean somebody I shouldn't feed.
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Who was it that brought up the Peloponesian wars on another thread in relation to the current political situation? It could be a coincidence I suppose, but one wonders.We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.
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@ Sir Ralph: It was intended to be a little bit funny
I like (more or less) funny combinations
My Palpatine[GE] acc @Starcraft is described with :
Imperator Palpatine sagt: "Wenn dir jemand auf die linke Wange schlägt halte auch die rechte hinn"
A free translation is:
Palpatine says: If you are hurt by anyone don't hurt him back.
@ Lord Merciless
If you want to praise mother Russia, at least select a Czar that was not a total loser. Peter the Great would be a better choice.
If I had to choose a Czar who was (more or less) politicaly successfull I would choose Alexander II.
LONG LIVES THE CZAR
Pro Patria et GloriaLast edited by NikolajRomanov; March 19, 2003, 08:43."Et deus dixit fiat lux !"
"Everything is proceeding as i have foreseen."
"I love Democracy Ilove the Republic ..."
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Originally posted by MrFun
The history of United States throughout the twentieth century shows that the United States has propped up dictatorships during the Cold War as part of the ideological war against communism.
United States was definitely not promoting democracy.
Oh good. We were running low on malcontents.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead
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