Whatever happened to free speech?

[Willem]

Originally posted by Ming
Radio stations have done far sleezier promotions than that...

Maybe in your country!

[Ming]

Yes... freedom of expression is VERY IMPORTANT... the fans have that right too Or are you saying only musicians should have that right....

[Ming]

Originally posted by Willem
Maybe in your country!

I've bought media time in your country as well... Some of your radio stations are as bad as ours.... Our Toronto Office must think I'm good at it too... because they sold a client on the fact that I knew Canadian Media better than their own people did.

But again, you must have lost the argument if all you are trying to do now is play the "we are better card"...

Radio stations are in business to make money. That is their right. And you want to take that away from them so some rich band doesn't lose a little income. Instead, you want them to lose money so a rich band doesn't.

That's really all you are saying...

[Willem]

Originally posted by Ming
Yes... freedom of expression is VERY IMPORTANT... the fans have that right too Or are you saying only musicians should have that right....

Haven't I already mentioned that my beef is with the radio stations? A few times now? If the fans don't want to buy the CDs or listen to their songs that's their affair, but the radio stations should not be the ones leading the fray.

And what about the fans of Dixie Chicks that weren't offended by her comment, and still want to hear them? What about their rights in all of this?

[Ming]

So you are saying that Radio Stations don't have rights... but musicians do...

And Dixie Chicks fans can just listen to other radio stations that do play their music, because MOST STILL DO. They can choose to listen to any radio station they want to... that's their right.

So again... you are arguing that somebodies rights are being limited. And in reality, the only rights that you really want limited are the radio stations... the people you are complaining about

[Pyrodrew]

Originally posted by Willem
The article mentioned that one station pulled their songs after only 250 complaints.

And perhaps those Canadian radio stations pulled Stern after less than 250. But I can understand your desire to play dictator over radio stations for your fellow musicians.

this isn't a violation of free speech, it is about making money in the business.

Exactly. If Willem ever sees his double standard then maybe he'll see this too.

[The Vagabond]

Since Bill Maher was kicked out, there has been no real freedom of speech on American TV.

But OTOH, TV is so hellishly powerful thing that it would be self-destructive for a country to allow a complete freedom of speech on TV. Perhaps, freedom of speech should be relegated to newspapers and Internet, but what happens on TV should be carefully controlled (preferably in a non-intrusive manner).

[Willem]

Originally posted by Ming

Our Toronto Office must think I'm good at it too... because they sold a client on the fact that I knew Canadian Media better than their own people did.

Toronto is hardly indicative of the rest of Canada. In fact there's a lot of people here that don't like the place at all. Ask an Albertan what they think it.

[Ming]

It's really funny... here he is whining about free speech.

Yet nobody had ever said that the band doesn't have the right to voice their opinions.

Yet he is the only person that thinks the radio stations don't have the right to voice their opinions.

What's wrong with this picture

[Ming]

Originally posted by Willem
Toronto is hardly indicative of the rest of Canada. In fact there's a lot of people here that don't like the place at all. Ask an Albertan what they think it.

Again... ignoring the issues and trying to side track the discussion.

You want freedom of speech, but only for the musicians, and not for the radio stations.

Address that.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Ming


Yet he is the only person that thinks the radio stations don't have the right to voice their opinions.

No, I'm saying that radio stations have an obligation with an issue as serious as war to present both sides of the debate, and not immediately cave in to just one view. Economic censorship is just as damaging to free speech as government intervention.

[Ming]

If the stations were government owned, I would agree you. But for a radio station, ECONOMICS is their obligation. You are saying that's it's going to cost the band money... well, the same can be said about the radio station. The radio station has a right to make money too.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Ming
If the stations were government owned, I would agree you. But for a radio station, ECONOMICS is their obligation. You are saying that's it's going to cost the band money... well, the same can be said about the radio station. The radio station has a right to make money too.

Well I guess the issue of whether the death of thousands of people is right or wrong will just have to take a back seat to the almighty dollar. A sad world I've ended up in.

[Ming]

Again... you are trying to change the subject.

The thread was about censorship... and there is NO CENSORSHIP here.

Just a multi million down band vs multi million dollar radio stations. BOTH HAVE THE RIGHT TO THEIR OPINIONS AND EXPRESSION.

You are the only one that thinks one should be censored, and the other not

BOTH have the right to their opinions... It's that simple.

But you seem to think that only musicians have that right.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Willem
Well I guess the issue of whether the death of thousands of people is right or wrong will just have to take a back seat to the almighty dollar. A sad world I've ended up in.

But now... you have put your cards the table.

You only want people that disagree with you censored.

People that support your view should be allowed to say what they want. But people that don't, need to be censored.



And this thread is all about censorship...