Blix found a "smoking gun" in Iraq?

[Dinner]

Yes, your right Ur. You know more then the Powell, the CIA, and British intelligence. Everyone who doesn't agree with you if telling lies; everyone except Saddam that is who always tells the truth. BTW read the article in the first post and learn how foolish you've been or if you like go to the BBC or to CNN for they have similar articles.

I'm sure you'll get up and dismiss them all as an imperialist plot or claim none of the experts know nearly as much about the issue as you do though.

[korn469]

If we destroy an enemy, we have the right to dictate whatever terms we wish.

i disagree with this in principle, i'm saying might doesn't make right. if nazi germany had of won WWII it wouldn't have had the right to gas anyone it would have, although it would have had the ability to do that...however this is the way the world works, and i'm not trying to argue that it doesn't, i'm arguing it shouldn't which is different

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by korn469


i disagree with this in principle, i'm saying might doesn't make right. if nazi germany had of won WWII it wouldn't have had the right to gas anyone it would have, although it would have had the ability to do that...however this is the way the world works, and i'm not trying to argue that it doesn't, i'm arguing it shouldn't which is different

touchee
however, i dont think it is a bad thing for disallowing a man like Saddam from having the power of WoMD. I guess this just opinion, however

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Felch X
Besides, these drones are quite capable of delivering biological or chemical weapons, and spreading them over a large target area.

No, they're not, not without extensive redesign and uprating of controls, etc. Also, the payload is the payload, whether it's fuel, a Hellfire missile on a Predator, or BCW ordnance and dispersal systems.

Assuming you mount such stuff on your UAV, you have a huge increase in aerodynamic drag which affects flight stability and duration, coupled with a huge decrease in fuel load, and an increase in static weight, all of which add up to cripple the effective range of any such craft.

There are two primary purposes to UAV's - passive electronic surveillance and active visual/IR surveillance. So far, the US is the only country which has successfully made the operational conversion to a weapons delivery platform, with the Hellfire equipped Predator - and that is still a definite step short of being able to make an effective dispersal system for BCW agents.

[Ramo]

Whether or not Saddam has WMD's is irrelevent.

[korn469]

however, i dont think it is a bad thing for disallowing a man like Saddam from having the power of WoMD. I guess this just opinion, however

no actually i agree with you on that, and i think that there are a number of valid reasons to support this

however it is my opinion that simply because we kicked his ass before and forced him to sign an agreement under the threat of more force that it isn't a just reason for war, although it is certainly a legal reason

100 years for now, if this war happens they won't say it occured because saddam was in material breech, they will say saddam was a petty little despot who was a thorn in the US's side one too many times or whatever

[Dinner]

On the contrary it is at the heart of the matter.

[Drake Tungsten]

I hate to differ with MtG, but...

Iraqi adds to weapons arsenal
By JOBY WARRICK, The Washington Post

In the waning hours of Operation Desert Fox in 1998, a British missile sheared off the top of a military hangar in southern Iraq and exposed a closely guarded secret. Plainly visible in the rubble was a new breed of Iraqi drone aircraft -- one that defense analysts now believe was specially modified to spread deadly chemicals and germs.
Up to a dozen of the unmanned airplanes were spotted inside the hangar, each fitted with spray nozzles and wing-mounted tanks that could carry up to 80 gallons of liquid anthrax. If flown at low altitudes under the right conditions, a single drone could unleash a toxic cloud engulfing several city blocks, a top British defense official concluded. He dubbed them "drones of death."
Today, Iraq's drones loom even larger as the Bush administration weighs a possible new strike against Saddam Hussein. The United States and Britain have charged that the Iraqi president is working to obtain chemical, biological and possibly nuclear weapons. A key unanswered question is whether Iraq has the means to deliver such weapons.
According to U.S. and allied intelligence officials and U.N. documents, Iraq has worked with apparently mixed success to diversify a patchwork collection of delivery vehicles that now includes not only Scud missiles, which it launched during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, but also a variety of novel machines for spraying pathogens and poisons from aircraft. Iraq deployed but never used chemical and biological weapons in the 1991 war.

http://www.s-t.com/daily/09-02/09-05-02/a01wn009.htm

[korn469]

On the contrary it is at the heart of the matter.

that he is in material breech?

i disagree, that is simple a causa belli, if Saddam was somehow useful to US policy we would care less if he was in material breech or not, i mean we were giving him aid when he was gassing the kurds, so if it didn't matter then it shouldn't matter now

[Felch]

They're quite capable in the long term. What the Iraqis effectively have are basically V1s. They can fly them in the direction they want to fly them in, attach tanks fulls of whatever agent they wish, some appropriate valves, and voila, a buzz bomb crop duster. No one is saying this will be a war winning weapon, but it is something they can hold over the Israelis heads.

And it certainly should have been brought up in the oral report.

[Dinner]

Drake: How dare you use responsible reporting to deny their baseless accusations. you ought to be ashamed of yourself; don't you know 'poly debates are supposed to be about opinions and not fact?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Gladly.

How does any information you quoted refute the IAEA's report?

[Drake Tungsten]

I am in a quoting mood tonight, aren't I?

[GePap]

Wow..Iraq is so technologically advanced: they must have this secret death ray to zap down american planes... and they developed the special catepillar system for their nuclear subs too. Then they have those satelites armed with nukes, and the mooonbase, lets not forget the moonbase.

[DuncanK]