The criminalization of opinion in Britain.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Let's recapitulate.

A 25 year old student was arrested in Britain because he had books decribing the acts of militant groups in Europe.


He also happened to have publicly say that 17N is not a terrorist group.


These 2 things have gotten him arrested and that is perfectly OK and democratic according to the British established order?

Thats what you think is the evidence is against him it doesn't mean tahst all they have got, wait and see

[Demerzel]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Let's recapitulate.

A 25 year old student was arrested in Britain because he had books decribing the acts of militant groups in Europe.


He also happened to have publicly say that 17N is not a terrorist group.


These 2 things were enough under british "law" to have him arrested and that is perfectly OK and democratic according to the British established order?

Your facts, your bias. Stop trying to present it as the truth.

[CerberusIV]

Originally posted by paiktis22
These 2 things were enough under british "law" to have him arrested and that is perfectly OK and democratic according to the British established order?

Yes it is. Let's see what happens next IN COURT!

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by TheStinger


Thats what you think is the evidence is against him it doesn't mean tahst all they have got, wait and see

That's what British and Greek sources say are the "evidence" against him.

And we haven't even begun talking about the "trial".

How was his arrest democratic in the first place according to you, who you seem perfectly at ease in that political culture of yours? (which differs greatly from most european contries' right to a free expression and, gasp, owning books)

[Velociryx]

So tell us, oh wise and enlightened bastion of all that is good in democracy....how should it have gone down?

In the perfect democracy that is Greece, this would never have happened, yes? That's what you're saying, right? (just like it'd never be illegal to play computer games in Greece)

-=Vel=-

[Arrian]

Originally posted by TheStinger
Whatever else you may say about him he can get a raction 80+ posts in no time. Not taht he is in any way a troll oh no

Nah, I'd never accuse him of such a thing.

7/10 Pattycakes.

-Arrian

[Jack the Bodiless]

Let's recapitulate.

Yes, let's!

A 25 year old student was arrested in Britain because he had books decribing the acts of militant groups in Europe.

No.

He also happened to have publicly say that 17N is not a terrorist group.

Yes.

These 2 things have gotten him arrested and that is perfectly OK and democratic according to the British established order?

Taken together, they MAY have been sufficient, but this is unlikely. There are probably other facts that we don't know yet.

This is perfectly OK in any democracy (including Greece, probably).

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by CerberusIV


Yes it is. Let's see what happens next IN COURT!

Then in Britain the right to a free expression doesn't exist, since you accept that. And that would be mightily discomforting where I come from. And we're still talking about his illegal (in any democratic society which respects indivindual freedoms) arrest.

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by paiktis22



That's what British and Greek sources say are the "evidence" against him.

And we haven't even begun talking about the "trial".

How was his arrest democratic in the first place according to you, who you seem perfectly at ease in that political culture of yours? (which differs greatly from most european contries' right to a free expression and, gasp, owning books)

The police would not release information that could compromise other ongoing investigations, such as his links to other specific terrorists.

ALL governments (even Greece) reserve the rights to not disclose information which is against public interest.

The information that has been released to the public is actually unlikely to be the whole story.

MrBaggins

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by MrBaggins


The police would not release information that could compromise other ongoing investigations, such as his links to other specific terrorists.

ALL governments (even Greece) reserve the rights to not disclose information which is against public interest.

The information that has been released to the public is actually unlikely to be the whole story.

MrBaggins

The british "police" released the reasons for his arrest and according to sources these are: books.


And a dissenting opinion.

All that in Britain's constitutional monarchy.

[CerberusIV]

Originally posted by paiktis22


Then in Britain the right to a free expression doesn't exist, since you accept that and that would be mightily discomforting where I come from.

For my views on the right to free expression I would refer you back to the link in my early post about the cleric who has just been jailed for nine years for inciting race hate and murder. Incitment to commit a criminal act is an offence in most countries. It may or may not apply in this case.

You still haven't answered my question as to whether the guy who has been arrested is someone you know?

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by paiktis22


Then in Britain the right to a free expression doesn't exist, since you accept that. And that would be mightily discomforting where I come from. And we're still talking about his illegal (in any democratic society which respects indivindual freedoms) arrest.

So in Greece, you could be in possession of child porn, and claim it was your right to possess it, due to free expression?

[Bereta_Eder]

I don't have to answer any questions since I'm not in Britain's police state.
You OTOH better be careful of what you say or even, gasp, think!

MrBaggins,
So you equate child porn with possessing and expressing an opinion and being arrested for it in Britain?

Is this your argument?

[Jack the Bodiless]

Then in Britain the right to a free expression doesn't exist, since you accept that and that would be mightily discomforting where I come from.

From TheStinger's post at the top of page 5:

There are IRA apologists in parliament, cripto facists running some newspaper, troskyites sitting on the labour party ruling council. The assertion that you are prosecuted for an opinion in Britain is one the stupidest things that can be said.

However, you appear to be drifting off into fairyland.

If it makes you happy: yes, the British are evil. I've been there, and I was lucky to escape with my life. They execute thousands of political dissidents every day, abduct random citizens for chemical-warfare experiments, and export soap made from babies.

You are right to expose this horror.

[MrBaggins]

Nope... i'm equating material which supports or promotes terroristic acts... like the guy is alledged to have... with childporn.

They are both illegal activities.