The criminalization of opinion in Britain.

[Bereta_Eder]

Whatever.

[Sprayber]

Great comeback. Go eat a Big Mac, you'll feel better.

[Ozz]

I was expecting this tomorrow, AFTER the court appearance and the "articles" and "evidence" are
exposed.

[axi]

The guy was actually arrested for this post, in some message board:

Hello there and congratulations for your site.
First of all the 17N is not a terrorist gropup. Terrorism is when you terrorising the masses and the 17N have never done something like that. The greek people never felt threatened from the 17N. The only people who feared the 17N were some ''big people'' who because of the anomalies of the laws, their financial status and their influence among the politicians were able to walk away free and unpunished. The common greek citizen never felt that his life is threatened from the 17N. I am sure that the ones who were feared mostly from the 17N were the REAL AND BIGGEST TERRORISTS OF THIS PLANET-THE AMERICANS.Not the simple american people but the american imperialism and the ones who representing it and support it. If I ever had the chance I would have joined them. I am about to start a PhD about the 17N, the RAF, THE Red Brigades and other revolutionary organisations.The americans and their allies are the real terrorists, not the 17N.
Viva the 17N. My congratulations to Yiotopoulos, Koufodinas, Tzortzatos and the rest of the group.
ZITO I 17N

Apart from the last part, where he says he supports the armed struggle and 17N (in a rather frivolous fashion), I would say that his statement expresses my feelings as well. In fact, I have posted similar statements in Apolyton a while ago (before the arrestation of the 17N) and them someone accused me of BEING a terrorist. Well, this is the same terror-frenzied mentality, in action!

It feels frightening. because anybody could be in this guy's place. Btw, in Greece, a few hundrend people have openly declared support the actions of 17N. Solidarity with the people accused as members is very widespread. So is enmity towards the state and the way it has handled the case.

I feel that the Brits in this thread are pursuing this with a dose of revanchism, for the planespotter case. Let's hope that this won't be the case with the jury too.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by axi
The guy was actually arrested for this post, in some message board:

You and paiktis should go to the UK and protest. All you'll need is a one way ticket cause you may be staying for a while.

[VetLegion]

A little digrression. I too remember Axi and Paiktis writing about 17N with admiration if not explicit support for their actions and methods. Don't worry guys I don't think either one of you are terrorists/criminals

But this brings something else to attention. People should remember they are not anonymous on the internet. Everything remains recorded. If tommorow Apolyton server gets struck by lightening (god forbid!) its posts and pages will still remain archived by numerous web search engines (Google..) or archive sites like www.archive.org. It is even more so with newsgroups, now that Google is archiving them. Mailing lists too.

My point, well.. we should be aware that things we say could be used against us by parties we don't imagine possible, like police in case of this guy.

This was brought to my attention because I read about how police fought software piracy. They are equiped and ready to use modern technoloy, so be wary of supporting crime in your posts or something like that.

Or what if one day you get into high politics.. can you imagine your enemies or tabloids pulling out politicaly incorrect posts of yours from obscure parts of the internet. Not completely impossible, and could hurt you bad.

Kidding ourselves that 'we are not important enough' is not a good enough way to be secure

Any sence of security any of us have just because we post under nicknames or in unknown places is - false.



Scheize, This must be the grimmest and most paranoid post I ever made

I had to get it out of my system though. Sorry for the interruption and carry on.

[DinoDoc]

Btw, in Greece, a few hundrend people have openly declared support the actions of 17N.

Hardly shocking given past Greek support of terrorist groups.

[axi]

Between us (so to speak), nobody felt sorry for Mallios and Babalis, the juntist torturers, back in the 70's...

I have to say that I do not support the actions of 17N and I never did. IIRC paiktis is of the same opinion too. But we tend to react when this is used to attack Greece or the left and divert attention away from the real parties that employ terror: the state, the media and the imperialists.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Sprayber



You and paiktis should go to the UK and protest. All you'll need is a one way ticket cause you may be staying for a while.

So Spray you support the British suppression and persecution of the freedom of expression, huh?

I wonder then what you think you're fighting for in Iraq.


BTW thanks for his message Axi, I've benn trying to find it myself.

Vetty don't worry trolling will never become a persecutable offence in Greece though so you can always come to the islands

For Britain OTOH I can not make any promises

[Bereta_Eder]

The terrorists have already won in britain.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by paiktis22


So Spray you support the British suppression and persecution of the freedom of expression, huh?

I wonder then what you think you're fighting for in Iraq.


BTW thanks for his message Axi, I've benn trying to find it myself.

Vetty don't worry trolling will never become a persecutable offence in Greece though so you can always come to the islands

For Britain OTOH I can not make any promises

Yes I support the oppression of Greeks everywhere. In fact, I oppressed a Greek just today. I was feeling guilty that I had done nothing to oppress anyone and what do you know a Greek turned a corner and I oppressed him. That will have to do until I get to Kuwait where I can oppress all who oppose the great American Empire.


I get so depressed when I can't oppress.

[Bereta_Eder]

Right.

Making light of the fascistic act of a prosecution of opinion that goes on today in the not so democratic britain must really amuse you

[Bereta_Eder]

And I think that the US/UK will opress decisively around 500.000 women and children. So finally that they'll never get up again.

But this is about a different thread.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Right.

Making light of the fascistic act of a prosecution of opinion that goes on today in the not so democratic britain must really amuse you

What amuses me is your selective attacks. All must be glorious in your paradise of Greece and the EU as opposed to the dark forbidding landscape of America and the UK.

[Bereta_Eder]

Hardly. There are many problems.

Supression of basic democratic liberties, fascist laws and rampant police indiscrimination however is not one of them

Not that I feel especially proud or special about my country for that. That is the norm in Europe, apart Britain, and I'd even dare to say it is the norm in the US too.

And I'd imagine everyone would be quite to condemn it. But I underestimated the nationalism of the brits or maybe the fear of their goverment. Watch what you say if you live in britain!