Bus exploded in Haifa

[Firelad]

8 dead, dozens wounded... I'll get you a report soon enough - or maybe leave the job to my fellows.
Let me just add a thought in the memory of the poor people who died - and those who might yet not die - because of this idiotic, mindless conflict.
My brother wanted to dress as a soldier in Purim (costume festival bla bla bla); today I had the opportunity to show him what soldiers and war bring about. Death and misery. I can only hope that none of my friends were aboard that bus. I ride it daily to and from school - today I was sick so I stayed at home.

~Mark

EDIT: 11 Dead.

[MRT144]

my god...when will it all end?

[Sirotnikov]

14:16 local time (12:16 GMT) a loaded bus exploded in a
central haifa street.

EDITED:

Siro reporting to be OK.
Yoav was seen ok in 14:14
Shiber was seen ok in 14:14
Eli is safe in Ashdod
Azazel has posted and is fine.
Taurus is fine.

1 person i know is possibly missing, though i heard recently that he was seen alive after the terract. but no confirmation yet.

/END EDITED


I fear for the life of my school mates - the bus that exploded, line 37 is a line which many of my friends from school take home.

14:16 is a time when the buses along the Moria street are loaded, especially with school children returning home.
This morning there were 50 alerts of terracts in plan or in progress.

Update: The police have just raised the national wide
security alert. Apparently there could be more terracts in store for
today.

Update:
EDITED
50+ injured
15 dead

[Sirotnikov]

today I had the opportunity to show him what soldiers and war bring about. Death and misery.

Soldiers don't target buses loaded with schoolchildren

[Dinner]

Yet another Palestinian war crime. Palestinians must have committed more war crimes then any other people in the history of the world. If I lived in Israel I would buy a car and never ride mass transit. As long as the conflict continues or Arabs are allowed on buses then Arabs will continue to put bombs on buses.

Admiteably not allowing Arabs to ride buses would be fascist but I am at wits end. How else can you insure Arab militants don't carry bombs on to buses? I wish there was another answer but for the life of me I cannot think of one.

[Firelad]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

today I had the opportunity to show him what soldiers and war bring about. Death and misery.

Soldiers don't target buses loaded with schoolchildren

No, they just fire from tanks / gunships at them...

When will it end? When enough people stop being bloodthirsty and stupid...

[Eli]

Interesting avatar Siro.

What is the source for 11 dead? I can see only 10.

(relying on major news sites only, cant turn on TV and all breaking news forums are down).

[Sirotnikov]

No, they just fire from tanks / gunships at them...

Oh come ****ing on with your pathetic equations of morality.

You know very ****ing well that soldiers aim at the same people that make these kind of terracts.

Equating law enforcers who accidentally hit innocent people, and war criminals who seek out and slaughter them is both absurd and insulting.

[Sirotnikov]

What is the source for 11 dead? I can see only 10.

channel 10. local radio etc.

god dammit. half of my school finished classes around 13:35 which means they could have easily be on that bus.

[aaglo]

Soldiers don't target buses loaded with schoolchildren

Unfortunately you cannot be sure about this.

These things suck big time

Soon there will be a retaliation to this retaliation of the retaliation that was due to the retaliation of the retaliation... It all seems like a broken record.

[Firelad]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Yet another Palestinian war crime. Palestinians must have committed more war crimes then any other people in the history of the world.

I wouldn't swear on a precise count, but I'd say that both sides are roughly on the same place, with a heavy "advantage" on number of casualities caused on the Israeli side...

Admiteably not allowing Arabs to ride buses would be fascist but I am at wits end. How else can you insure Arab militants don't carry bombs on to buses? I wish there was another answer but for the life of me I cannot think of one.

Then they'd blow up restaraunts... And there would be more people that would want to blow up... Then I'd go into an open rebellion... But hey who cares about human rights nowadays... Let's just be honest with ourselves and open the ol' gas chambers and crematoriums....

[MRT144]

oerdin, dont give arabs reasons to put bombs on busses

[Firelad]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
You know very ****ing well that soldiers aim at the same people that make these kind of terracts.

Well, actually I don't know this to be the exclusive truth and neither do I believe it to be.

[Dinner]

The IDF doesn't support the killing of innocent people and it prosocutes anyone who commits such acts. The Palestinians almost universaly support acts of terror designed to kill women and children instead of military targets.

Yasser Arafat is complicit in these attacks. He knows Palestinian groups are planning them but does nothing to stop them plus he provides them with moral cover by constinently speaking out on their behalf and providing them with moral cover. The Palestinian cause will never be seen as legitiment by the international community until the Palestinian leadership ceases to support terrorism.

Unfortunately, people like Arafat have been involved with terrorism for 40 years and they are not going to give up their "pet project" now. Arafat is a war criminal who should be executed for his crimes.

[aaglo]

hmmm... Oerdin:

A Palestinian kills Israeli children = war crime
An Israeli kills Palestinian children = ?