Bus exploded in Haifa

[chequita guevara]

Massacring civilians is always a crime against humanity. No one should have to fear riding on a buss or being in a resteraunt or being at work. I grieve for the people of Haifa and am also thankful that our Israeli friends are okay.

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Ming
I have no problem with people stating their postions on the issues

However... it was you comment to carpet bomb the whole region that was the problem. If you want to post crap like that, find somewhere else to do so... You're hateful crap isn't welcome on this site.

That is my position, The point is they are both enemies of the peace of the world, cause they won't/can't make peace and it's been going on for 50 years. And has been
EXPORTED for 50 years from the ME.

Hateful crap? They can't/won't end their bicking/fighting
That's hateful crap. Supporting eithier side is crap, they
are both soiled with the most dispicable crimes.

[Guardian]

Well, by that logic, we'd have to nuke half the world, and then gas the other half, then seek out anyone still breathing and shoot them 5 times through the head...

...and then we would have peace.

-But would it be worth it ?

[Ming]

Originally posted by Ozz
That is my position, The point is they are both enemies of the peace of the world, cause they won't/can't make peace and it's been going on for 50 years. And has been
EXPORTED for 50 years from the ME.

No problem with your position, you are welcome to your opinion... I do have a problem with how you present it. So stop the "kill them all" and your ranting, and you will be fine. Otherwise, you are toast.

And if you want to keep discussing this, do it by pm or email... not in this thread.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Massacring civilians is always a crime against humanity. No one should have to fear riding on a buss or being in a resteraunt or being at work. I grieve for the people of Haifa and am also thankful that our Israeli friends are okay.

My point ecactly.

I bloody well know that it's just another link in an unbroken chain of violence, but that does not change the fact that today's bus bombing was a crime for which there is no justification.

[Urban Ranger]

Do we know for sure that a Palestinian group did it? Did any one of them claim responsibility?

[Sirotnikov]

You can't make people behave like rational, tolerant citizens of the world by fighting them - that only breeds suffering and contempt on both sides.

You can't make people behave like rational tolerant citizens of the world, by letting them learn from example that irrational intolerant criminals are allowed to have their way.

If you don't enforce them - laws aren't worth anything.

[FrustratedPoet]

You can't make people behave like rational tolerant citizens of the world, by letting them learn from example that irrational intolerant criminals are allowed to have their way.

Actually I think we're both right ... which is why I said there are no easy answers.

[Sirotnikov]

Do we know for sure that a Palestinian group did it? Did any one of them claim responsibility?

Not yet.
They usually wait for Israel to get on their tracks before claiming responsability, so that to allow deniability.

Once Israel has enough concrete evidence about a certain group, it usually blames it, and then it (or another group, if Israel was wrong) claims responsability

[Urban Ranger]

Don't they do this to gain, eh, "prestige?"

[Sirotnikov]

Army Intelligence Chief:
The Palestinians see this intifada as their last and most important struggle, and therefore will fight to the last bone.

The Palestinians are set in their goals and will not back down in peace negociations.

The current leadership headed by Arafat is not interested in a cease fire or negociations other than an Israeli surrender to their terms.

The new Premier Minister will have limited power, and the most important decisions Arafat will keep to himself.

Iraq will probably not attack Israel

US army will have an easy fight unless it will be draggen into Urban Combat, in which case it will be difficult and costly.

Turkey will agree to accept American troops in a vote in Parliament, otherwise, the voting will be postponed until a majority will be created.

Israel identifies and contacts Palestinian figures who are more peaceful and are potencial leaders to succeed Arafat.

[Sirotnikov]

Sometimes their priorities change.

Al-Qaeda has not admitted it was behind 9-11 until after USA found very concrete evidence (video tape of bin-laden talking about it)

[Spiffor]

I rushed to 'Poly as soon as I've read of the terract in Haifa. My sincere condoleances to all those who've lost someone dear in the attack (this thread is no place to debate on the ME IMO)

Siro, could you please update your first post, so that everybody knows Azazel and Taurus are fine ?

[GePap]

Another ME thread:

Apply, rinse, repeat.

Hopefuly by the time I am 40 this will no longer be so....

[Sandman]

Another pointless attack that will set back the peace process. The Palestinians should restrict their attacks to military targets.

I also condemn the new Israeli government's settlement expansion plans. They should dismantle all the settlements immediately.