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  • Appeals court: Pledge of Allegiance still unconstitutional

    From cnn.com:

    SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A federal appeals court Friday rejected the Bush administration's request to reconsider its decision that the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional because of the phrase "under God."

    The ruling means the case could go to the Supreme Court. In Washington, a Justice Department spokesman said no decision has been made about whether to appeal the ruling there.

    The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said it would not accept any other petitions to reconsider last June's ruling by a three-judge panel that the pledge is unconstitutional when recited in public classrooms.

    Ruling on a lawsuit brought by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, the court panel decided 2-1 that Newdow's daughter should not be subjected to the words "under God" at her public school.

    The court said the phrase was an endorsement of God, and the Constitution forbids public schools or other governmental entities from endorsing religion.

    President Bush and Congress immediately condemned the decision, which would prevent public schoolchildren from reciting the pledge in the nine western states covered by the nation's largest -- and, critics charge, most liberal -- appeals court.

    Those states are Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon and Washington.

    Newdow's lawsuit began as a challenge to a 1954 decision by Congress to add the words "under God" to the pledge. The lawsuit later sidestepped into a parental rights case over a custody dispute between Newdow and his 8-year-old child's mother, Sandra Banning of Elk Grove.

    In response to the court's original ruling, Banning asserted that her daughter is not harmed by reciting the pledge and is not opposed to God. Banning, who now has legal custody of the child, urged the court to consider whether Newdow even had legal standing to bring the case on behalf of his daughter. The court said Newdow did have such legal standing.
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  • #2
    This ruling comes from a San Fransisco court. Just wait until the motion leaves La-La land and gets reviewed by a court in another part of the country. It will get shot down.
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    • #3
      "Under God" should not be in the pledge. Period. What part of "religious freedom" don't these dumbasses against this ruling understand?
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • #4
        oh, who gives a ****. I guess you believe in god, since you celebrate Christmas.

        just another tradition. give it a ****ing rest.



        "farting still unconstitutional"
        urgh.NSFW

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        • #5
          It will be changed to "one nation under Dubya".
          One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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          • #6
            I'll wait until a real court reviews the case. The 9th is well known for thier legal masochism.
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            • #7
              Freedom of religion has never meant that absolutely all religious expressions should be removed from the lexicon. The founding fathers even used phrases like "Freedom to worship God as they please" and refered to God frequently in official documents. They realized that those phrases did not set up an official state Church and so were perfectly legal.

              The modern socialist attempts to purge the word God is an extreamist view point and like all extreamist view points it should be moderated.
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              • #8

                The modern socialist attempts to purge the word God is an extreamist view point and like all extreamist view points it should be moderated

                I pity you. Wait... no I pity the people of Sacremento, now

                Azazel... it's no tradition. The phrase "Under God" was added in 1954 as a propaganda tool to show the Soviets we were a "Christian" Nation.

                oh yeah Oerdin, civil rights and equality would have been extreme views in Nazi Germany. It doesn't mean they aren't correct.
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #9
                  really? didn't know that.
                  urgh.NSFW

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                  • #10
                    Window dressing until the Supreme Court shoots this down as a de minimis intrusion on freedom of religion. Maybe they'll even clarify the Establishment Clause further, but I doubt it.
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • #11
                      what a rediculous thing to be debating in the first place.

                      Perhaps....just PERHAPS they could....I dunno....work on some more pressing problems and tell little susie to cover her ears if those two particular words hurt?

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                      • #12
                        Well, if the Establishment cause is being misinterpretted by the 9th Court's ruling, then we need to add a constitutional amendment to specify the division between religion and government.
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #13
                          OH for chrissake! This is absurd! Don't confess your sins to a politian and don't elect a bishop for public office, and there ya go.

                          The main reason FOR the separation of church and state was so that there was no intermixing of agenda, not to draw a line in the sand and tell people they can't say the "G-word" in public buildings....LOL

                          That's just stupid. Next, we'll need a law banning any form of political discussion at church pot-luck suppers....cos you know, church and state need to be separate, and it's not enough that we just keep it simple, we have to let the lawyers make a few mil off of it too....

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                          • #14
                            then we need to add a constitutional amendment to specify the division between religion and government.


                            Why? What is the problem with government officials being religious and saying 'God bless America' or whatever?

                            As long as it prevents having an Official Relgion, I don't see the problem with the clause.
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • #15
                              I agree with Imran....they're not saying "The Judeo-Christian God Bless America"

                              Or "Thor Bless America"

                              "god" is a rather generic term, and when speaking, you can't hear the capitol letter, so what's the big deal? Some peole have too much time on their hands, and clearly need to get over themselves....

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