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    Could this be a coup against US efforts for a second resolution?
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    Iraq has agreed in principle to destroy its al-Samoud II missiles, a United Nations spokeswoman has said.
    The announcement came after the UN's chief weapons inspector Hans Blix said the inspections aimed at disarming Iraq had produced "very limited" results.

    He made the comments in a report due to be submitted to the Security Council on Saturday, a draft copy of which was obtained by the BBC.

    Mr Blix has given Baghdad until Saturday to start destroying the missiles, which weapons inspectors say are capable of travelling beyond the limits set by the UN after the 1991 Gulf War.

    A spokeswoman for Mr Blix's office said Iraq had now agreed to the move in a letter to the chief weapons inspector

    But US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said destroying the missiles would not be enough to prove Iraq was co-operating with the UN.

    "I don't see a change in the pattern at all," he told reporters. "You know, this is exactly what's been going to for years."

    "They refuse to co-operate, don't co-operate, drag it out, wait until someone finally nails them with one little piece of the whole puzzle and refuse to do anything about it and then finally when they see the pressure building, they say well, maybe we'll do some of that."

    In Mr Blix's draft report, seen by the BBC, he says Iraq could have made greater efforts to find proscribed weapons and to provide credible evidence that some of them have been destroyed.

    The latest Security Council debate on Iraq ended on Thursday without any consensus.

    The French ambassador at the UN, Jean-Marc de La Sabliere, said the majority of countries "do not think it is time to go to war and it is possible to disarm Iraq by peaceful means".

    Military build-up

    Meanwhile, Iraq has started moving major elements of a Republican Guard division south, possibly towards Baghdad or Saddam Hussein's home town of Tikrit, according to US defence officials.

    The US has been expecting the Iraqi leader to begin concentrating his better forces around the centres of power, the BBC's Pentagon correspondent Nick Childs says.

    But US defence officials say that how many of the Republican Guard forces in the north get moved could depend on whether the US gets the final go-ahead to start a major troop build-up in neighbouring Turkey.

    After a series of delays, the Turkish parliament was expected to vote on the matter on Thursday, but the vote has been postponed until Saturday at the earliest.

    Council divided

    The US and UK are hoping the Security Council will pass a second resolution in the coming weeks, saying Iraq has failed to disarm.

    The 15 Council members discussed the draft resolution behind closed doors on Thursday, as well as a counter-proposal presented by France, Germany and Russia calling for inspections to be stepped up.

    But the Security Council remains divided over Iraq, and six non-permanent members have yet to state publicly which proposal they support.

    An unnamed ambassador quoted by the Associated Press described the discussions as "bitter and unpleasant".

    Any resolution needs the backing of nine members and no veto from one of the five permanent members.

    The BBC's Greg Barrow at the UN says that neither the pro- nor the anti-war camp on the Council is likely to gain much from Mr Blix's report.

    In other developments:


    Chile - which is working closely with another non-permanent member of the UN Security Council, Mexico - says it wants a solution which includes short and specific timetables to complete the inspections

    French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin says France does "not exclude the use of force" to disarm Iraq, but that he believes in a diplomatic solution

    A sixth aircraft carrier, the USS Nimitz, is ordered to deploy to the Gulf and will leave the US west coast next week, the US Navy says

    Several B-2 stealth bombers are to leave for the Gulf in the coming days, US air force officials say.
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  • #2
    More stall tactics. Saddam! Wake up, boy. Bush ain't buying.
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    • #3
      Chile - which is working closely with another non-permanent member of the UN Security Council, Mexico - says it wants a solution which includes short and specific timetables to complete the inspections


      The proposal they're studying appears to be Canadian. It's already been rejected by both the Americans and the French. That means it's on the right track...
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      • #4
        According to www.haaretz.com Iraq only agreed to destroy the missles "in principle"
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        • #5
          Shi, that's generally the way diplomacy works. You get an agreement in principle and then you sit down and work out the hows and wheres...
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          Killing it is the new killing it
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          • #6
            If I were Sadaam, I would have agreed to dismantle the missiles and any other weapons in violation of 1441 if the US promises not to invade for X amount of time. That would have put the US in a pretty pickle.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Frogger
              Shi, that's generally the way diplomacy works. You get an agreement in principle and then you sit down and work out the hows and wheres...
              The wheres and the hows:

              where? " We can't find them because we don't really have them. And if we did find them then that would only mean that we lost them. If we lost them, how could we have known we had them. And if we didn't know we had them then we don't...so there!"

              how? "Well if we took this part off then they wouldn't fly futher than 93 miles, which they don't even with this part, but destroying them would make them go to much less than 93 miles and then we could not accept this. So we will agree to take the little part off, but then we won't do it because they don't go that far any way"

              Hans Blix: "It appears that the Iraqi's are now willing to conduct substantive talks on their missle systems."

              France: " See!!!! We told ya!!!!! NYAH NYAH NYAH !!!"


              US:
              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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              • #8
                That made very little sense.

                "Wheres" and "hows" as in how soon the missiles need to be destroyed, how the UN inspectors will verify their destruction, etc.
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                Killing it is the new killing it
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Frogger
                  Shi, that's generally the way diplomacy works. You get an agreement in principle and then you sit down and work out the hows and wheres...
                  The demands on Iraq are very clear, and a spart of them Saddam must destroy the missles now. Saddam is just trying to play more games.
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                  • #10
                    great, more stall tactics. God almighty, can we just get it over with?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Frogger
                      That made very little sense.

                      "Wheres" and "hows" as in how soon the missiles need to be destroyed, how the UN inspectors will verify their destruction, etc.
                      Frogger, I understand that. That was an attempt (apparently a poor one) to put a little satire on the once again cat and mouse game that Iraq plays with the world.
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                      • #12
                        Shi

                        You're being fairly thickheaded. The weapons inspectors will want to be there when it happens, and the Iraqis will want to know what they have to do to "destroy" the missiles. If they can salvage the parts to let them build shorter-range missiles, then they'll probably be allowed to.
                        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                        Stadtluft Macht Frei
                        Killing it is the new killing it
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                        • #13
                          Even if they accept this, the warmongers will just start caterwauling about some other triviality.

                          "Iraq's soil contains anthrax!"
                          "Every Iraqi kitchen has sharp knives!"
                          "He's using mobile catering vans to hide the knives!"
                          "His moustache is too bushy!"

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                          • #14
                            A bunch of folks here seem to be frothing at the mouth over what is an acceptance of UN demands.

                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sandman
                              Even if they accept this, the warmongers will just start caterwauling about some other triviality.

                              "Iraq's soil contains anthrax!"
                              "Every Iraqi kitchen has sharp knives!"
                              "He's using mobile catering vans to hide the knives!"
                              "His moustache is too bushy!"

                              ALL TRUE!! ALL TRUE!! LET'S ATTACK NOW!!!
                              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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