FARC solution: Plausable or just too E X C I T I N G?!?!

[Zylka]

Buck, although I'm not sure of your concrete support - I'll ask a general question of which I'm sure came up in that pro FARC lecture:

-When is it EVER justified to load a car full of explosives to be detonated upon an almost entirely innocent civilian population?

We're not talking about the Columbian government here, we're not talking of the US government - this is a question for FARC and about FARC. Could they answer?

[Buck Birdseed]

Oh, and the Pro-FARC group were showing slides and giving an account of life on the ground. But I'm sure that counts for nothing.

I saw a decent Channel 4 documentary about a small singular case last year as well, in the (generally excellent) Unreported World series, about an electrician in a small town who got murdered by the Paramilitaries for expressing dissenting views and how the police were in their pockets. But again, I'm pretty sure the woman who made it was some kind of lefty.

[Buck Birdseed]

Originally posted by Zylka
-When is it EVER justified to load a car full of explosives, to be detonated upon an almost entirely innocent civilian population?

Nope didn't come up- it wasn't that kind of a lecture, unfortunately.

What's the specific case?

[JCG]

I was typing a longer response but I'll answer this first....

-FARC also kills innocent people with dissenting views, do not doubt that for one second.

-Those slides may likely be true, BUT they represent only PART of what happens OR has happened on the ground. The part the pro-FARC group wanted to show you guys, nothing more, nothing less.

-Car bombs? Heck, there are too many examples, but here's a tough one...How do you justify kidnapping 3 brothers and forcing them to drive cars with bombs inside urban cities, without their knowing they could be blown up any minute? Two of the brothers are dead.

[MRT144]

this seems to be a domestic issue for columbia.

[Zylka]

FARC REBELS FACE TO FACE

Well, the baby question is now a worry. SIGN ME UP!!!

[Ted Striker]

Damn, Gabriella Sabatini is working for FARC?

Where do I sign up?

[DuncanK]

JCG,

It's a civil war. Of course people are killing on both sides. but why should the US take a side.

[Ted Striker]

NO BLOOD FOR COFFEE!!!

[GePap]

This civil war has being going on for 30 years, though the FARC, once a real revolutionary movement has lost much credibility, and runs now on inertia and drug money. The fatc that they control billions of dollars in drug profits (They probaly have more money running aorund that Al Qaeda) and have 25,000 troops is why the Colombian army has not been able to get very far. Of course, there are 2 other groups labelled terrorist in the country, another left-leanign group, the ELN, and right-wing paramilitary groups, colectively known as the ACU, that used to work (and may still work) with the support of the army, though they also sell huge amounts of drugs.

Colombia would not be abnother vietnam, but it surely would not be another Afghanistan either.

[JCG]

Why does the U.S. think they should take a side?
We already discussed that, but here I go again.....

I guess the simpe reason is just because they can.
You can't ask the sole superpower to remain isolationist and not seek its own interests abroad, and not give its moral and military support to whoever they see fit.

It's that simple. The drug war, war on terrorism, oil, anti-communism, the need to impose its sense of right and wrong, manifest destiny, etc. and other reasons are just what lies beneath that basic structure.

You disagree with any of that? Again, vote for someone who also does and it may change policy.

Probably U.S. involvement short of an occupation isn't going to win or lose the civil war, stuck as it is in an uncomfortable stalemate until someone with a brain forces the fools to make peace and stop the endless bloodbath....and the U.N. is too weak to try and succeed, unless member nations want to send peacekeepers (I don't think so).

[DuncanK]

Ok, well the Declaration of Independence and the founding of our nation are all bull**** and mean nothing? And the people who fought in the American revolutionary war did it for nothing?

[DuncanK]

JCG,

The Leftists will most definitely win sooner or later. Not even the US could stop that. People don't fight for thirty years just to have some Imperialist come in and set up shop. They would have won already if the US and its corporations had not supported the government thus far.

Oh, and why should I vote when both the Democrats and the Republicans do the same crap?

[JCG]

Originally posted by DuncanK
Ok, well the Declaration of Independence and the founding of our nation are all bull**** and mean nothing? And the people who fought in the American revolutionary war did it for nothing?

Take that up with the current U.S. government and system, not with me. Besides I don't really see that being the case, nor the point you're trying to make anyways...

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But...You think the "Leftists" are going to win? After 40 years? Current conditions continuing? On what do you base that, on the supposed "strong support" of which you have no direct proof other than speculation and rationalization?

Do you even know the relative growth trends of the opposing forces or how their support has changed over the years, especially recently?

That's only "optimistic" chatter (your "optimism" being vague 'cause you don't even know which form of communism they would implement, and it sure as heck wouldn't be Cuban nor anything close to that....).

Don't hold your breath...or in fact, do so if you want, I won't stop you.

The bloody truth is NOBODY is going to win it, I don't see why that's so hard to understand....

Sorry guys, this isn't Cuba nor Vietnam nor China nor the USSR nor any other nation on this planet. This is Colombia. You can't apply other examples of "revolutions" to it.

PS: Oh, you can vote for an independent or whoever else or nobody at all, I don't know, that's your own business.

[DuncanK]

JCG,

You don't seem to care about much. Why do you waste your time posting on this thread?