Fair Taxation

[Imran Siddiqui]

Ok Imran, I can quit my minimum wage job and get a job that pays 300 bucks an hour.

That has happened... especially when you work in minimum wage until you graduate law school .

Of course in socialist / communist states you were able to leave a lower paying job for a much higher one .

There is a reason people work in minimum wage jobs: Because they are teenagers that don't have the education for higher paying jobs. Outside of teenagers, there aren't many people that work for minimum wage.

I doubt it any socialist paradise, you'd also someone that isn't that educated to quit his janitorial job and work as a brain surgeon .

[Az]

yeah, well, I get that way some times.

*puts flamethrower back into locker*

[DuncanK]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
There is a reason people work in minimum wage jobs: Because they are teenagers that don't have the education for higher paying jobs. Outside of teenagers, there aren't many people that work for minimum wage.

No, but there are plenty that work for 8 or 9 dollars an hour.

[DinoDoc]

how dare you accuse of theft people that are trying to make more people happy.

Why? It's true. Why should I care about thier motives?

[Az]

So you say that conseqences have no meaning in assessing the morality of an act?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Azazel
So you say that conseqences have no meaning in assessing the morality of an act?

Do you really care why a thief stole from you?

[Az]

yes. I wouldn't be angry at him, if he had no choice but to steal.

[DinoDoc]

Life is full of choices.

[Imran Siddiqui]

No, but there are plenty that work for 8 or 9 dollars an hour.

They make relative to their education level. I don't see that changing too much in a totally socialist state. I mean in some mixed states in Europe, the government provides for education throughout university. You think a communist government could go further?

[DuncanK]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

No, but there are plenty that work for 8 or 9 dollars an hour.

They make relative to their education level. I don't see that changing too much in a totally socialist state. I mean in some mixed states in Europe, the government provides for education throughout university. You think a communist government could go further?

And if you have to borrow for college then you have college loans to pay off

[Imran Siddiqui]

And if you have to borrow for college then you have college loans to pay off

Um, of course. But the education you gain will pay those loans off for you and leave you with a much higher living standard than without.

You make an investment in human capital by borrowing, you undoubtably have to pay it off when the promise is realized.

[Az]

Life is full of choices.

for us, yes. Not for people in most of the world.

They make relative to their education level. I don't see that changing too much in a totally socialist state. I mean in some mixed states in Europe, the government provides for education throughout university. You think a communist government could go further?

Well, yes, provide a very good education for small children. This is when the personality evolves after all. Many kids today suffer due to miseducation at these tender ages. This is the only thing I'd change in education. That and free school utilities, like notebooks, pencils, etc. It doesn't cost much, but it will help so many.

And of course, I'd make the various education directions available at the same proportions they'll be needed in the industry.

[DuncanK]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

And if you have to borrow for college then you have college loans to pay off

Um, of course. But the education you gain will pay those loans off for you and leave you with a much higher living standard than without.

It can be tough. Some people pay big bucks to pay back their loans. The point is if I have to borrow to pay for college it's that much harder to elevate myself and ny decendants to a higher class.

[DuncanK]

Life is full of choices -DinoDoc

Originally posted by Azazel
for us, yes. Not for people in most of the world.

DinoDoc is talking about the molemen at the center of the earth again

[Odin]

Libertarians are so dense and naive. They say, "don't steal our money," yet they are too greedy to help those poor people in Africa.

The assumption that "you'll get rich if you work hard" is a bunch of capitalist propaganda used to keep thier workers under control. Most poor people work hard all thier lives, and retire poor; while the rich kid inherits some of his/her parent's money (Thank heavans of a death tax) and is rich without even working. I say we make inheritance of money ILLEGAL; everybody should work just as hard to get as far. Let the rich kid work in a factory, or a bar (like my mom), or a sugar beet processing facillity (like my my dad)!