Fair Taxation

[Berzerker]

Duncan -

No, I'm just saying that we need to treat people equal. And I know your libertarian thinking wont allow you to understand that. but just know that I don't consider your system to be equal treatment under the law.

Because you don't really believe people should be treated equally under the law. I'll bet you support Affirmative Action too, to stop discrimination, we should discriminate - that's the reality of Affirmative Action.

[David Floyd]

No, I'm just saying that we need to treat people equal.

No you aren't. You're saying that everyone should be treated equally but only - or at least primarily - the rich should pay for it. That isn't equal.

[MRT144]

bezerker, his view is a result of his perception of inequality, not his want for inequality.

[MRT144]

david, so should the poor just curl up and die? now THATS libertarianism

[Berzerker]

David Floyd -

No, what YOU are saying doesn't make sense. You are saying that because government functions in favor of the rich, the rich should fund the government.
But then, you turn around and say that government should function in favor of the poor as well - and that's all well and good, yet you make no mention about transferring any part of the tax burden from the rich to the poor. This makes one think that your argument about who the government functions for is bull****.

I've noticed that too...

[Goingonit]

Originally posted by MRT144
david, so should the poor just curl up and die? now THATS libertarianism

Libertarianism, in its purest form, is essentially the idea that government's only responsibility is to protect the rights of all members of society.

Basically, libertarians believe that everyone has the right to life, liberty, and protection of property and the freedom to do anything that doesn't abridge those three. If you can't make money without anyone else's help, then it's your own damn fault.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Frogger
Socialism: shared wealth and freedom

That's funny!

[MRT144]

goingonit, obviously libertarians are robots without human emotion.

[Goingonit]

no you're thinking of Objectivists.

Libertarians can and do support social programs, they just think that those are up to individuals and charitable groups rather than government.

[Goingonit]

Personally, I believe that protection of rights, including right to property, is government's primary obligation, but that some additional responsibilities of government are necessary to embetter society for all.

[MRT144]

individuals as a whole arent charitable because of the idea that if you need help its because you somehow ****ed yourself over. libertarianism is rampant through society already

[Goingonit]

I don't know about you, but I give charity, as does almost everyone I know. My feeling is that even if you ****ed yourself over, or if you weren't born smart or with aptitude for any jobs, you still deserve some basic standard of living. But being rich isn't a right.

Also the vast vast majority of the population is religious, and almost all religions are in favour of charity.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Ramo


Any reason for that date in particular?

I was thinking of 1381.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Oerdin


That's funny!

Almost as funny as thinking that capitalism benefits most people.

[MRT144]

being rich isnt a right, definitely, but there is a quality of life that the government should try to maintain for the people. otherwise whats the point of government?