Thought-Provoking or Racist?

[Ben Kenobi]

"Just because I am the only right-winger left on this site does not mean that my beliefs are wrong because yall converted to decadent libertarianism. "

Speer, look harder. Lots of right-wingers here on Apolyton.

"i could not find a picture of cleaver i meant so i had to settle with Newton."

Sounds like a request for an avatar.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
right-wingers dislike blacks?

Not necessarily, but most people who hate Blacks are right-wingers. Overt racism as well as racist policies in the government are overwhelmingly a product of the right. Liberal racism is more paternalistic.

[Al B. Sure!]

Hobbes:

Explain to me how this is possibly wrong?

1) Liberals see people as products of their race... after all, the whole idea of diversity is based on the idea that a black man will have different ideas than a white man and that all blacks think alike while all whites think alike. this is inherently racist and is the sole reasoning behind diversity. I think a non-racist would surely say that people are individuals and have different ideas and don't all think the same based on their race.

2) Drugs and sex were funnelled into the cities by the liberal bourgeious in the 60's... they destroyed that little thing called family values and made pre-marital sex and drug use accepted.

3) AIDs was a disease spread around by gays and is presently killing millions of Africans... hmm... first seen in gays who, because they just NEEDED their orgies, spread it around to eventually infect millions of Africans... sounds like genocide spawned from the liberal idea of free sex outside of marriage.

4) Abortion has claimed 10 million black lives... Sanger specifically wanted abortion to lower the black population and concerning how many abortion clinics and what not are in the cities, it is possible that the liberals by being all for abortion are subtly beginning a program of genocide.

I could go on and on...

[Al B. Sure!]

Eventually he himself became a conservative religous leader, and today heads his own little evangelist church.

Excuse me? Cleaver died several years ago in the early 1990's if i remember right... if you got that alone wrong, I don't know how accurate the rest of your information is.

[Ben Kenobi]

Eldridge Cleaver:

infodome.sdsu.edu/.../spcollections/ exhibits/0302/70s.shtml

For some more pictures, try google images. Found quite a few pictures for Eldridge Cleaver.

If you ask nicely, I bet ixnay will help you photoshop.

BTW point four is a much stronger case for genocide directed specifically at black people than three. Same point can be made without even having to bring up three.

[Al B. Sure!]

Yeah, I think that just about describes you. . . . You do know that the NoI hates you too.

Bah... they're more aggressive against jews and gays than whites. Though, personally, I do think the NoI would be able to rise to being a far more respected organization if they tried to gain some minimal support from poor whites who are just as socially conservative (well maybe a little less as conservative as Farrakhan's whole opinion of women, etc. makes Falwell look like a liberal) and in similiar economic conditions. Hopefully, for the sake of the advancement of the NoI and for the betterment of society, the NoI after Farrakhan dies, will be more accepting of whites (you can't get what you want accomplished unless you play the political game and appeal to what the majority of americans are)

And with a last name beginning with Abdul, i doubt they would have too much hatred of me...


thanks

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
1) Liberals see people as products of their race... after all, the whole idea of diversity is based on the idea that a black man will have different ideas than a white man and that all blacks think alike while all whites think alike.

Maybe when (if) you go to a university and take some Black studies classes you'll learn how FoS you are. Liberals do not see people as products of their race, but of their environment. Race is part of your environment, and only a great idiot would deny that Black people grow up in a different environment from white people.

While its true that Liberals tend to think of Blacks as being one monolithic group, that belief is by no means confined to liberals. That tends to be more or less universal among whites who have no in depth relations with Black people. How often do we see threads from right-wingers on Apolyton about how "Black people this" or "Black people that."

2) Drugs and sex were funnelled into the cities by the liberal bourgeious in the 60's... they destroyed that little thing called family values and made pre-marital sex and drug use accepted.

This has got to be the most idiotic statement you've made. Did Black people not have sex before the 60s? Can Black people not make their own problems? Are Black people just a mass to be acted upon and incapable of making their own mistakes? You're just as racist as you accuse liberals of being, assuming that Blacks are only an object and not a subject.

As for drugs, drugs came out of the inner cities into underground white culture. Heroin and pot were being used in the inner cities long before the 60s. Malcolm X talked about using tea in the 1930s, so maybe you need to learn something before spewing these ignorant "facts."

3) AIDs was a disease spread around by gays and is presently killing millions of Africans... hmm... first seen in gays who, because they just NEEDED their orgies, spread it around to eventually infect millions of Africans... sounds like genocide spawned from the liberal idea of free sex outside of marriage.

AIDS comes from Africa. Maybe you should go to Africa and ask Africans whether or not they needed the permission of the Western sexual revolution to have sex outside marraige, not that they weren't doing it before we were. You are so ignorant about Africa and AIDS.

4) Abortion has claimed 10 million black lives... Sanger specifically wanted abortion to lower the black population and concerning how many abortion clinics and what not are in the cities, it is possible that the liberals by being all for abortion are subtly beginning a program of genocide.

I could go on and on...

Whites have more abotions than Blacks.

[Ben Kenobi]

Whites have more abotions than Blacks.

Che- not proportionately. Proportionately Blacks have more abortions than Whites. What about Sanger's statements? How do you justify those?

[Hobbes]

Speer, it's interesting how you are constantly pointing the finger at liberals, whilst right wingers were the ones supporting slavery and whatnot. And when was the last time you met a liberal redneck?

[Hobbes]

first seen in gays who, because they just NEEDED their orgies

I need orgies too, and I'm not gay.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Hobbes


I need orgies too, and I'm not gay.

By Speer's definition you ARe gay. Of course I would qualify for that too.

EVERYBODY needs orgies, especially Albert.

ACK!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by obiwan18
Che- not proportionately. Proportionately Blacks have more abortions than Whites. What about Sanger's statements? How do you justify those?

I don't justify them. Sanger was a racist and eugenicist. If that were my litmous test for what we used from history we'd be screwed, since we use this government that was created by racists and sexists. We use a country stolen by racists. The fact that Sanger herself was a flawed person does not reflect at all upon abortion or Planned Parenthood. Abortion has existed since people first learned that certain herbs could stop a pregnancy (for several thousand years at least) and everyone has the right to have birth control.

Proportionally is irrelevent. Average Black family size is much larger than average white family size, so abortion certainly isn't hurting Black people. If anything it's helping them in that they have fewer mouths to feed with limited resources. Maybe if the anti-sex idiots would allow kids to have access to birth control, there wouldn't be as much of a "problem" with abortion.

[Ben Kenobi]

The fact that Sanger herself was a flawed person does not reflect at all upon abortion or Planned Parenthood.

Che, generally the goal of the founders is related to the goal of the organisation. Perhaps if Planned Parenthood has publically repudiated Margaret Sanger, then we can be sure that Planned Parenthood no longer has a goal to target black people for abortion.

Average Black family size is much larger than average white family size, so abortion certainly isn't hurting Black people.

Nope. This is the difference between a successful genocide and a partly successful genocide. It does not matter whether you kill all the black people or reduce their population by a specific proportion to qualify for genocide. What does matter is the target. Are black people targetted for abortion? One point in favour is that they have a disproportionate number of abortions.

Maybe if the anti-sex idiots would allow kids to have access to birth control, there wouldn't be as much of a "problem" with abortion.

Look at Uganda. Out of all the Sub-Saharan African countries, they are the only one to lower their rate of AIDS transmission, through abstinence education. Maybe freer distribution of birth control actually encourages risky behaviour.

[Hobbes]

Look at Uganda. Out of all the Sub-Saharan African countries, they are the only one to lower their rate of AIDS transmission, through abstinence education. Maybe freer distribution of birth control actually encourages risky behaviour.

You're not taking into account the amount of birth-control that IS in available and educated in other African nations that have a high HIV infection rate. But, really, isn't this about North American, in peticular, the US? And is abstinence *really* going to work in the US? Com'on, no, really.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by obiwan18
Che, generally the goal of the founders is related to the goal of the organisation.

What does your comment say about the United States? Have we repudiated the Founding Fathers?

Are black people targetted for abortion? One point in favour is that they have a disproportionate number of abortions.

An intelligent person might also note that in most of the country it is impossible to get an abortion. In more than 86% of US counties, no doctor will provide them for fear for their lives, families, and pracitices because of tha anti-abortion terrorist. That means that abortion providers are mostly going to be located in urban areas. That means its going to be easier for women living in urban areas to get them as opposed to women who live outside these areas. That means that minority women have better access to abortions than do white women. Therefore the disparity in abortions across races is due to the practices of anti-abortionists as opposed to those who provide them.

Look at Uganda. Out of all the Sub-Saharan African countries, they are the only one to lower their rate of AIDS transmission, through abstinence education. Maybe freer distribution of birth control actually encourages risky behaviour.

Look at gay people. When they began practicing safe-sex practices HIV infection rates dropped. They dropped so dramatically, in fact, that HIV came to no longer be seen as a danger by some younger gays who then stopped practicing safe sex. HIV infection rates among this group rose rapidly. There is a very strong correlation between safe-sex and lowered HIV infection rates.

Sub-Saharan Africa's problem is not that birth control encourages risky behavior. The problem is that they do not have access to it much at all. Men refuse to use condoms and women who obtain them are seen as sluts. There is still a widespread belief that having sex with a virgin will cure you of AIDS, and men go around infecting ever younger generations of women.

You anti-sex people are so ignorant.