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"I'm pro-choice, obiwan, if that's what you're asking. I whole-heartedly believe human life is sacred. "
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What counts as human life then? Why don't unborn children count as well?
"This proclamation is a political stunt to pander to the Christian conservatives. "
Perhaps, but I'll take a National Sancitity of Life day anyways. Clinton would never have announced something to this effect.
"he openly mocked a woman about to be executed in Texas."
Didn't hear about this. When did this happen?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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obiwan - how can a man who supports capital punishment and warmongering possibly speak on Sanctity of Life. He's a hypocrite, a moron, and a puppet."Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
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Read Beckwith, Politically Correct Death, he agrees with Capital Punishment and is against abortion.
His argument centers on the distinction between innocent human persons, and those who are not. One can forfeit one's right to life, through killing someone else. Unborn children are by definition innocent, since they have not had a chance to hurt other people. Therefore, one should protect innocent human life, while allowing those who murder others to be punished.
I don't agree with Beckwith on this issue, mostly due to my pacifism, and faith in rehabilitation, but not because I am a prolifer.
The best definition of a prolifer is one who believes innocent human life should be protected. Abortion takes the life of an innocent human person, and is therefore wrong.
I hope this is somewhat clearer.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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What if the unborn child is harming the mother?Originally posted by obiwan18
Unborn children are by definition innocent, since they have not had a chance to hurt other people."In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
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No, its Adonai......Originally posted by Azazel
It's Jahveh, Jahveh, damn it! don't you dare to misspell my pink unicorn!
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How long till abortions become illegal in the states?
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What do you mean by harms MosesPresley?
If you mean an ectopic pregnancy that endangers the life of the mother, there is nothing wrong with an abortion. It is better to save 1 life then to allow 2 to die.
As for other 'harms' to the mother, I would say no.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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We're back to forcing women to be incubators for the State, I see...
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Originally posted by obiwan18
Bush doesn't want to go to war.
If playground rules don't apply, this is anarchy! -KelsoComment
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"We're back to forcing women to be incubators for the State." -STYOM
Does the state forcibly impregnant women? Do women not have some choice as to who they choose to sleep with, or whether they have sex at all? Sex has consequences, and one of them just happens to be pregnancy.
Tandee- fair enough. You have my permission to use that as sig material.
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Birth control isn't 100% effective. Why should women be punished for having sex by being forced to carry a fetus to term? I didn't think anyone outside the Catholic church thought that sex should be punished...?Originally posted by obiwan18
"We're back to forcing women to be incubators for the State." -STYOM
Does the state forcibly impregnant women? Do women not have some choice as to who they choose to sleep with, or whether they have sex at all? Sex has consequences, and one of them just happens to be pregnancy.
The state doesn't forcibly impregnate women. However, what you're advocating is the state forcing women who become pregnant - even if unintended, regardless of reasonable birth control methods - to spend 9 months of their lives carrying a child.
That's slavery."I'm a guy - I take everything seriously except other people's emotions"
"Never play cards with any man named 'Doc'. Never eat at any place called 'Mom's'. And never, ever...sleep with anyone whose troubles are worse than your own." - Nelson Algren
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin (attr.)Comment
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However, we're getting off topic here - the real point of this thread was to laugh at GWB's hypocrisy re: anti-choice, but pro-death penalty and pro-war - and not to rehash the abortion argument.
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"Never play cards with any man named 'Doc'. Never eat at any place called 'Mom's'. And never, ever...sleep with anyone whose troubles are worse than your own." - Nelson Algren
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin (attr.)Comment
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"Why should women be punished for having sex by being forced to carry a fetus to term? I didn't think anyone outside the Catholic church thought that sex should be punished...?"
STYOM,
Women make the choice whether to have sex or not. Slaves do not have a choice whether or not to be slaves.
This is not a 'punishment' for sex, but a consequence. All actions have consequences and it is a biological fact that sex can lead to pregnancy. Look it up. Even with contraception, although contraception does lessen the likelyhood somewhat. Everyone should be prepared before sex for the possibility of getting their partner pregnant.
BTW I'm not Catholic, okay. See if you can find what denomination I am. I've posted it before.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Fine by me- do you want to start another OT thread?
Sorry for the threadjack.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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