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    Churchill war criminal, says German historian
    November 20 2002
    By Kate Connolly
    Berlin

    Winston Churchill was a war criminal who sanctioned the extermination of Germany's civilian population through indiscriminate bombing of towns and cities, an article in the country's biggest-circulation newspaper has claimed.

    In an unprecedented attack on Allied conduct during World War II, the tabloid Bild has called for recognition of the suffering inflicted on the German people during the strategic air campaigns of 1940-45.

    The newspaper's crusade, prompted by a new German history of the bomber offensive, is the latest manifestation of a belief among Germans that they, too, were victims of the war - albeit a war started by their country.

    The newspaper is serialising Der Brand (The Fire: Germany Under Bombardment 1940-45) by the historian Jorg Friedrich, who claims it as the most authoritative account of the bombing campaigns so far.

    Mr Friedrich claims the British government set out at the start of World War II to destroy as many German cities and kill as many of their inhabitants as possible.

    Civilian deaths were not collateral damage, he says, but rather the object of the exercise.

    He argues that Churchill had favoured a strategy of attacking civilian population centres from the air 20 years before Hitler ordered such raids.

    Britain's war leader is quoted during First World War as saying: "Perhaps the next time round the way to do it will be to kill women, children and the civilian population."

    Der Brand is far removed from the dry style of most German histories and is filled with emotive accounts of the horrors of bombing, but carries few references to the man who brought retribution on Germany, Adolf Hitler.

    The debate is certain to anger those in Britain who see the strategic air campaign as a necessary evil.

    The serialisation of the book will also furnish the far-right in Germany with arguments to back its revisionist claims.


    - Telegraph


    Is it just me or are things heating over in Europe at the moment.

    Other developments. France and Britain are NOT on speaking terms. Following Blairs snub at Chirac at an EU summit on agriculture Oct 25 2002. Chirac: "I have never been insulted so much before in my life."
    Blair responded by sending Chirac a Winston Churchill fountain pen (now, that's two insults in one package, see if you can spot them)

    Poland snubs Germany and Sweden and buys Amercan F16 instead of European fighter planes in a multi-billion dallr deal. The Europeans were unable to counter 'offset' deals to various Polish companies in the same package. And this after the Europeans have agreed to pour billions and billions of Euro into the wrecked polish economy.

    And now this...

  • #2
    The account seems fairly fair, how can the side fighting for democracy and human rights justify things like Dresden?


    As for tensions in Europe, Europe was never made to be united imo.
    eimi men anthropos pollon logon, mikras de sophias

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    • #3
      yay first post! churchill? war criminal?

      EDIT: DAMMIT!
      :-p

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      • #4
        Chirac: "I have never been insulted so much before in my life."
        Is he really from France?
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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        • #5
          Even as a Brit I have to admit they have a point. Both sides committed war crimes IMO, however, because we won, they have to pay. The bombing was atrocious.
          Smile
          For though he was master of the world, he was not quite sure what to do next
          But he would think of something

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DinoDoc
            Chirac: "I have never been insulted so much before in my life."
            Is he really from France?
            Probably because he doesn't read the Apolyton Off Topic

            Saluti
            "Life is pretty simple: You do some stuff. Most fails. Some works. You do more of what works. If it works big, others quickly copy it. Then you do something else.
            The trick is the doing something else."
            — Leonardo da Vinci
            "If God forbade drinking, would He have made wine so good?" - Cardinal Richelieu
            "In vino veritas" - Plinio il vecchio

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            • #7
              Germany complains that bombers were used on it?

              Have they appologized about Guernica, Rotterdam, Coventry, London, Warsaw......

              This is political correctness gone wild.
              I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
              i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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              • #8
                He's a pidgeon of the cia, planting a story to cause tension among the EU and delay or prevent it's union.
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • #9
                  Well, Chris... if some people are going to say that Bush I was a war criminal for Iraq, I guess for consistency's sake they'll have to say Churchill and FDR were war criminals too .
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • #10
                    I need to get bombed, with grade a booze.
                    I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
                    i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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                    • #11
                      Anything that stopped Nazis was a good thing, BTW.
                      I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
                      i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                        Churchill and FDR were war criminals too .
                        Did they or did they not order the deliberate bombing of civilians? If not, you're blind. If so, they're war criminals.
                        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                        • #13
                          I don't see any more than usual problems in the "unity" of the EU.
                          The UK regularly pisses off many member states as do other countries about a variety of issues. The UK just a bit more because it is the least pro - EU country, demographically as well as politically.


                          But the EU has always progressed through the Axis of Berlin - Paris.


                          When you see problems in THAT relationship then you can start worrying about the EU

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                          • #14
                            The Polish decision was a soundly slap on the EU.
                            And a major victory for Bush's initiatives/policy lines about defense industries.

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                            • #15
                              The planes are BETTER.
                              I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
                              i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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