Greece faces shame of role in Serb massacre

[Serb]

Originally posted by Guardian


I meant what I said, and I was talking about Srebrenica.

But yes, NATO did many things wrong too.
The point is that "two wrongs don't make a right", meaning you can't legitimate your own wrongdoings by pointing out those of others. If you're wrong you're wrong, and that's all there is to it. Not all things done by Serbs, Greeks or Russians were wrong, just like not all things done by NATO were wrong.

But some things were, and that goes for all of them.

So what so good was in NATO intervention aside thousands civilians including children killed by NATO bombs and eco-disaster which will afect hell knows how many future generations?
Let's see:
Kosovo is the sacred place for Serbs. The place where their first king appeared, the place where their thousand years old Christian churches located, it's the birthplace of their state. THEIR NATIVE GROUND. They let Albanian refugees in after WW1 and how those guests paid them? After NATO's intervention native Serbian land, one of the oldest Christian sites in Europe become home, sweet home for Islamic radical fanatics such as bastards from KLA. No more Serbs here now.

GREAT F*CKING WORK.

You think you've solved the problem? Bullsh!t.
Hypoteticaly- if bunch of bastards will ever take Moscow and give it to Ilamic radicals, eco-terrorists, brown, red, green, no matter to whom- just to someone who is not Russian- I know how I will educate my future kids. There will be only two goals- to return Moscow and to kill bastards who took it away from us.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Serb

Good aproach, but how exactly one coud be absolutely sure that what he see is wrong, and if it's really wrong how he could be sure that it was commited by this exact side of the conflict? Why everyone point on crimes of one side?

Call it bad luck if you want to, but the Serbs were the ones who pissed us all off by firing at international aid workers in Gorazde and by attacking Srebrenica while it was supposedly under UN protection. I don't know whom I hated the most at the time, the Serbs or the UN who just backed off and allowed it to happen. But I really didn't mind the Serbs being bombed.

When people like Ratko Mladic stood out in public and said things like "No human beings died in Sarajevo, only muslims.", then that didn't help their side either.

[VetLegion]

From this thread, and some other threads, I got a following impression. Corect me if I am wrong.


1. Certain issues in Greece are not questioned. A nationwide consensus exists about them. Political parties win or lose elections over other issues, but these few are treated same across political parties. Such issue was support to the Serbs, maybe also minority rights (98% Greek, remember)


2. Having this in mind, even when Greek free thinkers (tm) (I avoid the term intelectuals, it suggests just a small educated elite) criticize their government, it is always about economic issues, support of NATO or Americans, church issues, or something else.



To support this impression, a few (rethorical?) questions. Were there any media in Greece (in period 1990-1995), that at least sporadicaly 'held' Croatian or Bosnian Muslim side in the conflict. Or a media that reported negatively about Serbs, or gave considerable space to reports of Serbian war crimes? Anything not completely pro-Serbian.

Probably no major media were like that, but maybe a smaller one?

Did any party or group, have such beliefs (that Serbs are mostly wrongdoers in the conflict)? Of what political agenda would they be? Enviromentalists? Communists? Or is it that Party of Completely Crazy Lunatics havent been founded yet?

[Jack the Bodiless]

Originally posted by paiktis22
The bombings were not only not necessairy but certaintly aggrevated the situation, not to say they actually produced the crisis.

The mass exodus of Albanians came after NATO started the bombing, is but one example of this.

Except, of course, that the whole world knows this is completely false. The mass exodus of Albanians was caused by Serbian ethnic cleansing. NATO took weeks to get off their butts and intervene.

...Which makes me wonder about the availability of television sets in Greece, and the impartiality of the Greek media.

At least the Serbs have a good reason to be so ignorant...

[Sava]

Stop believing what CNN tells you to, Jack.

[Jack the Bodiless]

They let Albanian refugees in after WW1 and how those guests paid them? After NATO's intervention native Serbian land, one of the oldest Christian sites in Europe become home, sweet home for Islamic radical fanatics such as bastards from KLA. No more Serbs here now.

GREAT F*CKING WORK.

Except that NATO din't "let them in", they were already there. The Kosovo population was at least 90% Albanian.

To use your earlier analogy: it's as if California and Texas were 90% Mexican and the US federal government were using military force to keep them in the Union.

They would be wrong to do so.

[Jack the Bodiless]

Originally posted by Sava
Stop believing what CNN tells you to, Jack.

Then CNN must have hired a LOT of actors!

And surely at least ONE of them would have talked by now. Conspiracy theorists don't seem to appreciate just how difficult it is to keep a conspiracy secret.

Let me guess: they were all assassinated by the CIA afterwards, right?

[Sava]

It's not the Serbs' fault that those Albanian terrorists spawn like f**king rabbits. There's like a 10+ children family size and less than 5% literacy among those bast4rds. 20 Years ago, Serbs were the majority. And you accuse Serbs of ethnic cleansing? PFFFT The Serbs gave the Albanians freedom and shelter, and the Albanians repaid them by brutal acts of terrorism in an attempt to steal Kosovo from the Serbs. We kicked Turkish as5 at the original battle of Kosovo, no reason we're going to let some human scum steal our homeland from us.

[Sava]

bah, you underestimate the media's power to not report things There are a million stories in the world, my friend. Apathy is easier than suppression.

[Arrian]

It's not the Serbs' fault that those Albanian terrorists spawn like f**king rabbits. There's like a 10+ children family size and less than 5% literacy among those bast4rds. 20 Years ago, Serbs were the majority. And you accuse Serbs of ethnic cleansing?

Ah, so clearly the Serbs were right to try and "trim" the population back a bit, right?

-Arrian

[DaShi]

Re: Greece faces shame of role in Serb massacre

Originally posted by Serb
Hmm... I thought this topic will be about me and what we have here- entire Apolyton vs. one Greeek.

Shame on you, cowards.
Perhaps it's news for you, but many Russian voluntires fought on Serb's side, perhaps even more then Greeks.
Come-on you may bash Russia now.

Hey, that one greek can take care of himself.

[Sava]

They were kicking the out of the country, not slaughtering them. Some fought back, the Serbs protected their people. But where's the outcry when the US causes the death of 500,000 Iraqis since 1998 due to sanctions, HUH? WHY DON'T YOU B*TCH ABOUT THAT!

Look at yourself before you judge others you hypocrits.

[Ozz]

Originally posted by Sava
less than 5% literacy

Heres' your problem, whats the Serb literacy rate?
Is schooling ethically divided?

[Arrian]

They were kicking the out of the country, not slaughtering them

So ethnic cleansing (or, for a slightly less nasty term, "transfer") is A-ok?

As for the Iraq sanctions, many of us here oppose them, given that they do not work. However, your continued attempts at blaming the US or UN for the people who have suffered due to Saddam's choice of guns over butter are pathetic. The primarly blame remains with Saddam, not the US or UN.

-Arrian

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Sava
It's not the Serbs' fault that those Albanian terrorists spawn like f**king rabbits.

Seig Heil, Sava. You sound like David Duke.