Greece faces shame of role in Serb massacre

[Arrian]

Erm, Paiktis, OneFootInTheGrave started this thread. His post was not a troll. Shi's post was clearly aimed at you (though IMO understandable given posts you've make in the past re: USA). So whatever, ignore Shi's post. What about the issue raised? Like I said, Axi responded intelligently.

So can you, except you stated that you SUPPORTED those volunteers. Ok, explain why.

-Arrian

[Bereta_Eder]

I did not. Not really. I was just giving the finger to the trolls that were posted long before I even showed up.

[Arrian]

Ah, so you don't support them. You made **** up. Unsurprising.

-Arrian

[Bereta_Eder]

I made **** up?

What does that mean?

Is it like make believe or in the lines of "do you want to make **** berserker" of the "clerks"?

[Arrian]

You made up your position. In your own words: "I did not. Not really. I was just giving the finger to the trolls..."

What's interesting is that when YOU troll (don't bother denying it: you love messing with the American posters, and calling the Brits gay), if someone had a reaction like you just did, you would call them on it. That's all I'm doing to you.

Do unto others...

-Arrian

[Bereta_Eder]

No I wouldn't.

Besides this was pretty much an ambush setting.

Onefoot, posted an honest question he had (OK with a little bit of troll spirit)
then all the little trolls who got slamdunked by me (I dont initiate fights so often I just make others spit blood when they do and that only to just a few sorry asses ) lined up and waited for the lamb to arrive to the slaughter.

So what was best than to **** them up again?

[Arrian]

Slamdunked by you?



You don't initiate fights?



Nevermind, Paiktis.

-Arrian

[Bereta_Eder]

oh well

[Flatlander Fox]

Sava, western propoganda telling me what I saw with my own eyes?

You are obviously blinded by what you want to believe.

Being objective is a skill that is very valuable in real life. You can rant and rave all you want here, but when out in the real world, it's facts that matter.

And the fact is that atrocities did happen, civilians were targeted, and all sides made grevious mistakes in judgement and morality.

If your cousin was a soldier, and he was involved in that conflict, do you think that he would let you know that his side participated in atrocities that are PROVEN BY FACT. If I were him, I wouldn't either. It's a personal decision for him, and I would completely understand him.

Once again, I try hard not to judge a people or country by the actions of a silly few, but am appalled by the people that say these things never happened. And you say CNN spews propaganda.

P.S. There are a few here who I have noticed just post for the "shock value" of their words. Instead of acting your age (12 perhaps), maybe you should try forming REAL opinions, with REAL thoughts behind them, instead of spouting off ideas for the attention.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Flatlander Fox
Sava, western propoganda telling me what I saw with my own eyes?

Western propaganda didn't tell you what you saw with your own eyes. It just told you how to interpret what you saw with your own eyes.

[Flatlander Fox]

Originally posted by The Vagabond


Western propaganda didn't tell you what you saw with your own eyes. It just told you how to interpret what you saw with your own eyes.

Oops, I forgot that part of the deal...

Must be all that goosestepping I do...

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by paiktis22
The US has killed tens of thousands of people since the begginign of the '90s and is widely recognized by the world as the "barbarian". Your home violence and your total lack of social care is nothing to gloat upon.

You are also the target of terrorists. I don't think you are in any poisition to speak about anything, if you are an american Shi.

US bashing is wild all over the globe and antiamericanism is stronger than ever.

Perhaps you should worry where the next terrorist attack would be and who would die instead of trolling the Greeks.

Your sidetracks are pathetic. The hand of Greece here are red with blood. It is no wonder you so often praise Osama- but Al Qaeda and the Greeks are both clearly people not of the enlightenment but of hatred and violence.

[axi]

Do you mind a little (slightly related) threadjacking?

And you would be suprised what terrorists do when faced with American military power.

Surrender. Then get piled up inside containers. Then suffocate to death. Then get shot inside the containers, to make "breathing holes". Then die of thirst as they are hauled of to some remote prison. Then get hauled off to the desert. Then get shot. Then get a mass grave. No questions asked.

This is true. This is what happened to more than 1000 Taliban fighters that surrendered in the area of Mazar-I-Shariff last year. General Dostum's men did this, under the guidance of US troops. This is a war crime. The Pentagon refused that Americans had any part in this. That was proven to be a blatant lie. These American soldiers and their officers should face the Hague court, but they won't, you know why. Instead of that, there is a cover up operation underway: the Afghani journalist who revealed this was injured, two witnessed were mysteriously killed and others have been jailed and are under torture.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/s586222.htm

http://www.mediamonitors.net/gowans37.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,776841,00.html

Just saw this on TV.

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Apart from that, a comment about "spreading the blame". I am not sure Milosevich is as guilty as Mladich or as Tundjman. I am unable to know that for sure, I can only make an estimate based on my news sources and the amount of trust I place on them. Unfortunately, as Orwell has pointed out, we live in a world that one has to make this sort of balancing before accepting a news item, and no news can be assumed to be true with blind faith any more.

What my judgement tells me is that Milosevic (and the rest of them) is more guilty than the Greek media portray him and less than the western media do. However one cannot ever say enough to emphasise the blame that has to go to the Clinton administration, for bombing Serbia. To exclude the winners from every blame is the greatest of immoral deeds, because it destroys the belief of most people to justice and urges statesmen to commit atrocities just because they know that if they are at the winning side at the end, they will be free of any charge.

[Bereta_Eder]

Axi you said something about the US embassy keeping a track of "anti-american" journalists?

Where did you hear that?

Or are you just refering to Eleftherotypia and the "declarations" of Burns at his departure from the Embassy?

[Flatlander Fox]

Originally posted by axi

Surrender. Then get piled up inside containers. Then suffocate to death. Then get shot inside the containers, to make "breathing holes". Then die of thirst as they are hauled of to some remote prison. Then get hauled off to the desert. Then get shot. Then get a mass grave. No questions asked.

This is true. This is what happened to more than 1000 Taliban fighters that surrendered in the area of Mazar-I-Shariff last year. General Dostum's men did this, under the guidance of US troops. This is a war crime. The Pentagon refused that Americans had any part in this. That was proven to be a blatant lie. These American soldiers and their officers should face the Hague court, but they won't, you know why. Instead of that, there is a cover up operation underway: the Afghani journalist who revealed this was injured, two witnessed were mysteriously killed and others have been jailed and are under torture.

Things like this did NOT happen in Afganistan. You fail to realize that journalists were behind U.S. forces almost every step of the way during this operation. Something like this would have NEVER escaped the attention of the media. Watching too much state sponsored T.V. again it seems...

I am unable to know that for sure, I can only make an estimate based on my news sources and the amount of trust I place on them. Unfortunately, as Orwell has pointed out, we live in a world that one has to make this sort of balancing before accepting a news item, and no news can be assumed to be true with blind faith any more.

I wholeheartedly agree. But eye witness events in many instances are even colored with the person's views. It's hard to be objective, and even harder to be objective in the face of your beliefs.

What my judgement tells me is that Milosevic (and the rest of them) is more guilty than the Greek media portray him and less than the western media do. However one cannot ever say enough to emphasise the blame that has to go to the Clinton administration, for bombing Serbia. To exclude the winners from every blame is the greatest of immoral deeds, because it destroys the belief of most people to justice and urges statesmen to commit atrocities just because they know that if they are at the winning side at the end, they will be free of any charge.

I agree with everything said here except:

The bombing of Serbia was justified to stop the killing. The occupation of Kosovo has been somewhat of a failure, only because the Albanian elements there CANNOT be controlled. But it is a success in the idea that innocents are not being displaced and killed en masse.

Now they are being picked off one by one.
(Which is a tragedy IGNORED by the media.)