Greece faces shame of role in Serb massacre

[Sava]

Originally posted by Flatlander Fox
Sava, western propoganda telling me what I saw with my own eyes?

Try using your limited reading skills next time. I said, "I don't doubt your experiences."

And no where did I suggest you were listening to Western propaganda. That's for our American friends who know even little about this situation.

So before you start spouting off insults, try reading what people wrote instead of attacking them.

[Bereta_Eder]

The bombings were not only not necessairy but certaintly aggrevated the situation, not to say they actually produced the crisis.

The mass exodus of Albanians came after NATO started the bombing, is but one example of this.
The 2.000 civilian dead by NATO bombings (in which Greece took no part) are another.

Also bare in mind that a situation very close to what happened to Kosovo later happened in FYROM.

Yet, the approach used by the international community on that one was vastly different than that used in Kosovo.


Which leaves one wondering, why?
What had already been accomplished with Serbia vis a vis NATO so as not to do exactly the same in FYROM given that the two situations were close to be perfect photocopies of eachother?

[Flatlander Fox]

Originally posted by Sava
Flatlander, I don't doubt the experiences you had, but the facts remain. My facts come from relatives living in Serbia. My cousin Dragy was in the army and saw a lot more than you did. I'll believe him. Not some US sponsored propaganda.

You say not to spew insults at you, tell me that you don't doubt the experiences I had, THEN say that the facts that you stated earlier discount what I and thousands of other people saw with their own eyes.


What the heck is that supposed to mean?

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by axi

What my judgement tells me is that Milosevic (and the rest of them) is more guilty than the Greek media portray him and less than the western media do.

I think Hague will do a professional job in his case. Besides, the transcripts of the trial are available to all, so each can make his own opinion.

To exclude the winners from every blame is the greatest of immoral deeds, because it destroys the belief of most people to justice and urges statesmen to commit atrocities just because they know that if they are at the winning side at the end, they will be free of any charge.

I agree. I can see on my own ****ry, how painful it is to trial the victors. But crime is a crime, it is not safe for anyone to have the war criminals free on the street.



Just one more little thing abotu the article and the book. Both you and paiktis question agenda of this guy. Is it not more worrying to you that there is only one or two people who have courage to speak against the popular opinion. And that only now?

Uniformity of thought is greatest evil of them all

[Bereta_Eder]

I think Hague will do a professional job in his case. Besides, the transcripts of the trial are available to all, so each can make his own opinion.

The Hague is critically compromised by these 2 facts:

_Not everyone is subject to it. (The US, which played the biggest part, clearly isn't)

_It has a clear "mandate" to find Milosevic guitly for two reasons
1) To justify that the NATO's bombings were OK to have taken place (where it was actually a crying out loud violation of any international law)
2) To escape the charade of an "innocent" verdict.


I don't think that The Hague can act independantly since it is both politically and morally compromised, in this issue.


On a foot note
Also bare in mind this: under the law Milosevic has the right to subpoena Clinton, Albright as well as Blair and other leaders, as critical witness testifying material.


They will refuse. By then, it is by all legal standards a mistrial.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Besides all this means sh!t.

Greece is the president of the EU is the largest investor in most of the Balkan countries and is shaping its own policies there.

Also the EU army will take over FYROM under Greek command in a few months.

So the "shame" of Greece pointed out by one (one!) person looks a bit suspect to me.


In any case, it won't make one bit of difference.

Well, by this logic, if Hitler had ever made it to be president of the EU, there would have been no shame on him either.

And if this is truly your way of thinking, then I don't see how you could ever criticize the US for any reason. Obviously, by your reasoning, the US - being the world's greatest superpower - inherently has the right to do whatever they feel like without a care for the consequences, and anyone who disagrees with that is a troll and a DL.

Riiiight...


Oh, and you talk about ambush setting and how your handle has been used in a large number of posts in this thread... Well, all right. I did say "I can't wait to hear what paiktis22 has to say about this", and the reason why I said that is because you're always so eager to hand out "shame" to others.

For instance, not too long ago, you where describing Norway as one of the "shame nations of WWII". You didn't seem to know what you were talking about then and you don't seem to know what you're talking about now.

You're welcome to prove me wrong if you're able to, but I suspect you'll just call me a nazi collaborator and go back to sharing cool drinks with rapists and murderers.

Needless to say, if that's what you end up doing, I won't be impressed.
-But like I said, you're welcome to prove me wrong if you're able...

[Guardian]

Oh, and just for the record, I am not out to place any shame on Greece as a nation.

The shame for what happened in Srebrenica lies mostly on the people who actually did it, but partly also on the world that stood idly by and allowed these atrocities to be commited right under our noses.

For this we should all be bloody well ashamed of ourselves.

[Serb]

Greece faces shame of role in Serb massacre

Hmm... I thought this topic will be about me and what we have here- entire Apolyton vs. one Greeek.

Shame on you, cowards.
Perhaps it's news for you, but many Russian voluntires fought on Serb's side, perhaps even more then Greeks.
Come-on you may bash Russia now.

[Serb]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Hey I'm alone against dozens of trolls and DLs. Of course I'll run.

You are not alone bro.

Let's get them.

Vagabond, Sava

[Serb]

Originally posted by Guardian
The shame for what happened in Srebrenica lies mostly on the people who actually did it, but partly also on the world that stood idly by and allowed these atrocities to be commited right under our noses.

You mean because world allowed this?

We Created a Monster

Albanian terrorists, armed by the West to fight in Kosovo, are destroying Macedonia, says Canada’s former ambassador to Yugoslavia

JAMES BISSETT

When Canadian pilots joined in the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia in March 1999, we were told by Lloyd Axworthy and Art Eggleton that the intervention in Kosovo was necessary to prevent the violence there from spreading and de-stabilizing the Balkans. Yet we now know that long before the bombing it was NATO countries themselves that were inciting violence in Kosovo and attempting to de-stabilize that Serbian province. Moreover despite the bombing the violence has spread – in Kosovo itself, in southern Serbia, and more recently in Macedonia.

Media reports have revealed that as early as 1998, the central intelligence agency assisted by the British Special Armed Services were arming and training Kosovo Liberation Army members in Albania to foment armed rebellion in Kosovo. The KLA terrorists were sent back into Kosovo to assassinate Serbian mayors, ambush Serbian policemen and do everything possible to incite murder and chaos. The hope was that with Kosovo in flames NATO could intervene and in so doing, not only overthrow Slobodan Milosevic the Serbian strong man, but more importantly, provide the aging and increasingly irrelevant military organization with a reason for its continued existence.

Is anyone here read article which Paiktis posted on first page?

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Serb

Perhaps it's news for you, but many Russian voluntires fought on Serb's side, perhaps even more then Greeks.
Come-on you may bash Russia now.

I'm not bashing anyone who fought on the Serb side, or any other side.

I'm just saying that wrong is wrong, no matter who's side you're on.

[GeneralTacticus]

Things like this did NOT happen in Afganistan. You fail to realize that journalists were behind U.S. forces almost every step of the way during this operation. Something like this would have NEVER escaped the attention of the media. Watching too much state sponsored T.V. again it seems...

Eh? It didn't escape the attention of the media, that's why it was reported.

The hand of Greece here are red with blood.

Take a look at your own crimes before damning those of others.

[Serb]

The Justified war my as$. How about this?
http://grid.ecoinfo.ru/webint_eng/ba...onics.htm# We are faced with serious ecological catastrophe.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Serb

You mean because world allowed this?

I meant what I said, and I was talking about Srebrenica.

But yes, NATO did many things wrong too.
The point is that "two wrongs don't make a right", meaning you can't legitimate your own wrongdoings by pointing out those of others. If you're wrong you're wrong, and that's all there is to it. Not all things done by Serbs, Greeks or Russians were wrong, just like not all things done by NATO were wrong.

But some things were, and that goes for all of them.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Guardian


I'm not bashing anyone who fought on the Serb side...

OT: Not so many people fights on Serb's side here. Funny thing- nickname

I'm just saying that wrong is wrong, no matter who's side you're on.

Good aproach, but how exactly one coud be absolutely sure that what he see is wrong, and if it's really wrong how he could be sure that it was commited by this exact side of the conflict? Why everyone point on crimes of one side? Why no one talks about worse crimes of the different side, the crimes which were the reasons of whole struggle? Why no KLA bastards in trial today? Why no Clinton, Allbright & Salana in the same cage where Miloshevich today?

The answer is hypocricy and colossal brainwashing campaign.