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Sorry to hear that tandee. 
Is it possible for your husband to get a visa to stay here (through work, school, etc.)?
Is it possible for your husband to get a visa to stay here (through work, school, etc.)?
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"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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If the orignal unaccounted for have had their families notified of their wherabouts, then I stand corrected.Originally posted by Edan
IIRC, the twenty or so that weren't released in the first several days had turned up on police databanks - ie, they were conneced to other crimes.
But, if they are criminals then they should be treated as such. However even criminals get due process.
But many of the innocents were initially treated as criminals.Last edited by Ted Striker; January 1, 2003, 03:55.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Immigration barriers, not only being hurdles to economic development in both developed and undeveloped countries, are inhuman examples of oppression and tyranny. They are certainly authoritarian in the extreme.Remind me not to recommend you for a postition in the INS. The fact is that almost every would be immigrant to this country has a story more compelling than the one we have heard today. If you were in charge there would in effect be no law at all as everyone would be excepted. People who come on Apolyton and complain about things that were the result of their own actions and / or inactions, and then insult everyone of their countrymen by calling them de facto Nazis (or Nazi appeasers at least) deserve little sympathy IMO, though feel free to gush away if you like."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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If this is accurate, and he feels his rights were violated (and yes, illegal immigrants do have some rights), then he (and the others) should consider suing. I'm sure plenty of lawyers would be interested in doing the case pro-bono.Originally posted by Ted Striker
This is the account from the San Francisco Chronicle:
And while illegal immigrants do get due process, the government can, quite legally, detain them for an extended (something like 6 months, IIRC) period of time - even before 9/11."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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Nonesense. They were illegal immigrants. Hence, none of them were innocent, although most had committed trivial illegal acts.Originally posted by Ted Striker
But many of the innocents were initially treated as criminals."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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Did you even read those excerpts? Unless those people are lying, their status was LEGAL, or they had taken the steps necessary to be here legally.
This is why this whole lumping of people into being "illegal" into some whole category as some sort of felons is wrong, as clearly there can be many technical snafus or communication slips along the way.She said they had lived in the United States for 13 years and had applied properly for permanent status. They received their approvals a year ago, she said, and were awaiting notification that their permanent visas had been completed.
My immigrant friends all say it takes an extraordinary long time to get citizenship, let alone a green card.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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According to the INS, all of those arrested had at least visa violations - given that she did not recieve her visa, it seems that that is a distinct possibility, even if she is telling the truth. It may have been a snafu on the part of the INS (I don't know and you don't know), but she was still considered an illegal immigrant and had to be detained until interviews could be conducted and details verified.Originally posted by Ted Striker
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Did you even read those excerpts. Unless those people are lying, their status was LEGAL, or they had taken the steps necessary to be here legally.
And taken steps to be here legally implies that one is currently illegal."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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Actually, immigrants can be detained indefinitely currently. And prior to 9/11, immigrants could only be legally detained for a very limited time (something like 10 days). Certainly not 6 months.And while illegal immigrants do get due process, the government can, quite legally, detain them for an extended (something like 6 months, IIRC) period of time - even before 9/11."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I'll bring back up my analogy from before. If someone had to go to the police department to report a crime, would it be ok to steal a car to get there?
Now, there are certain circumstances where it may be ok to steal the car - you're being chased by a psycho killer in a hockey mask, or you know the owner of the car and know that they wouldn't mind you "borrowing" the car. However, either way, if the police find you in a stolen vehicle, they will arrest you. Charges may be dropped later, if the circumstances warrented the stealing of a car, but that doesn't mean they won't arrest you until they have verified that."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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No it doesn't. You can be here on a temporary visa and be applying for a permanent green card. That's the thing, there aren't just two states, "legal," and "illegal."Originally posted by Edan
And taken steps to be here legally implies that one is currently illegal.
No we don't know the whole truth but I still think polarizing everyone into two distinct groups as being either "illegal" or "legal" is flawed. It's such a one-dimensional way of looking at the situation that completely ignores the intentions of the immigrants.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Intentions can only be known after an interview.Originally posted by Ted Striker
It's such a one-dimensional way of looking at the situation that completely ignores the intentions of the immigrants."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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Best I could find was that, before 9/11, after an illegal immigrant is found to be deportable, the government can detain him 3 months before deporting him, which might have led to my confusion.And prior to 9/11, immigrants could only be legally detained for a very limited time (something like 10 days). Certainly not 6 months."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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Why don't you just go **** yourself? better yet, why not drive your dumbass down to austin where i'll whip your ass out to somalia.Now, look at David Floyd or Sava, for instance.
You tell me that putting them in Somalia to live a while wouldn't do a butt-load of good ?
you think that's ****ing funny? **** yourself.Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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Get 'em in the chokehold Floyd!!!Originally posted by David Floyd
Why don't you just go **** yourself? better yet, why not drive your dumbass down to austin where i'll whip your ass out to somalia.
you think that's ****ing funny? **** yourself.
Go for the leg lock!!!
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Sure, so in the meantime send them to prison on $15,000 bail. Sounds good to me.Originally posted by Edan
Intentions can only be known after an interview.
Intentions can also be known by documentation in combination with an interview, and interviews with witnesses, etc.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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