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  • #76
    Originally posted by SlowwHand
    I'll tell you what, we need to rotate the stock periodically.
    People who have been in a country 10 generations, move them.
    Take USA citizens, move them to Somalia.
    Take 10 generation Somalians, move to Pakistan.
    Pakistani's? Come on over.
    Seriously. Look at what it takes to BECOME a U.S. citizen. True devotion and desire. Appreciation for what life can be.
    Now, look at David Floyd or Sava, for instance.
    You tell me that putting them in Somalia to live a while wouldn't do a butt-load of good ?


    I'm long overdue for residence in a foreign land, as even my non-native ancestors have been here for over 300 years. I hear Haiti is as good as it can be this time of year, (which isn't good at all).
    He's got the Midas touch.
    But he touched it too much!
    Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!

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    • #77
      Wow, I can't believe some of you people can be so heartless.
      http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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      • #78
        If I "borrow" your house for a week and vacation there, but then give it back in good shape, would you be pissed off monkspider?
        Pax Superiore Vi Tellarum
        Equal Opportunity Killer: We will kill regardless of race, creed, color,
        gender, sexual preference,or age

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        • #79
          If you gave it back in good shape? No, not at all actually.
          I'm not sure that is the analogy you were looking for, but the fact remains that this is her husband of all people we are discussing, try to show a little respect. Imagine if this situation were occuring to you and your wife/girlfriend.
          http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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          • #80
            Originally posted by monkspider
            the fact remains that this is her husband of all people we are discussing, try to show a little respect. Imagine if this situation were occuring to you and your wife/girlfriend.
            EXACTLY.
            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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            • #81
              And secondly, the crap the INS pulled in LA was underhanded, backstabbing, entrapment.
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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              • #82
                Originally posted by monkspider
                Wow, I can't believe some of you people can be so heartless.
                She brought it on herself by comparing the US to Nazi Germany.
                "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

                "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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                • #83
                  I would go about the legal (stupid?) way, the same way I do in all of my other dealings with the government. Just don't complain when you start going about things the right way, and when something changes you want to exit the deal and not suffer the penalty. It's fair to those who did the deal correctly, and anything else would be an egregious slap in the face.
                  Pax Superiore Vi Tellarum
                  Equal Opportunity Killer: We will kill regardless of race, creed, color,
                  gender, sexual preference,or age

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
                    She brought it on herself by comparing the US to Nazi Germany.
                    Not a good plan.
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by monkspider
                      Wow, I can't believe some of you people can be so heartless.
                      "It's easy to be cold."
                      He's got the Midas touch.
                      But he touched it too much!
                      Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


                        She brought it on herself by comparing the US to Nazi Germany.
                        Rubbish, whether or not you agree with her analogy is moot, she deserves to be treated with basic human decency given the most serious nature of her situation. Imagine if your mom was from Persia Shi, and due to various circumstances she was on the verge of being deported. How would you feel if you came on here, looking for a helping hand and found only fierce hostility? I find it absurd that so many are obsessed with enforcing the letter of US law, that they completely ignore the human element of a husband and wife being driven apart. It is that seperation from basic human compassion that has gotten the US in the mess that it's in.
                        http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by monkspider
                          How would you feel if you came on here, looking for a helping hand and found only fierce hostility? I find it absurd that so many are obsessed with enforcing the letter of US law, that they completely ignore the human element of a husband and wife being driven apart..
                          A number of us did offer advice and I repeatedly pointed oput that those that were charged with trivial offenses were released soon afterwards once the details could be verified. I see nothing wrong in not being suprised that people that have commited illegal acts (no matter how sympathetic the situation may be) should have to face the consequences of those actions. Should detainees whos details have been verified and whos transgressions are trivial be released? Yes, IMHO, but not before theose details are verified.
                          "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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                          • #88
                            Well, the problem I have with this whole thing is that we don't know what his intentions were. Often, he could be here "illegally" due to some sort of technicality that he may not been aware of until the whole LA fiasco took place. If his intentions were, "**** the INS, I don't need to register," then okay I can see some negligence on their part.

                            But again regarding technicalities, there is a case where the INS went after a student who had less than a full class load after dropping a class at university. That was how the student became "illegal."

                            So, let's say this same student had spent the last 3 years at the university taking 21 hours a semester. The student has established the intent to go to school full time at the university. Okay but this semester he's only taking 12 hours, so due to the rule that he has to take 15 hours or face exportation (a rule which he probably wasn't even aware of), he is now considered, "illegal."

                            That's the problem I have with people equating Tandee's husband with some con artist when we don't even know WHY he is considered illegal.

                            There is one thing about following the letter of the law, there is a whole other thing to follow the SPIRIT of the law.
                            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                            • #89
                              No, it's the fact that people (gasp) use situations like this to try and force compassion on them, i.e. "Your honor, my wife is pregnant, you can;t break the family up" etc.
                              Cold, maybe. Calculated on the immigrant's part, maybe. Good way to try and screw the system, yes.
                              Pax Superiore Vi Tellarum
                              Equal Opportunity Killer: We will kill regardless of race, creed, color,
                              gender, sexual preference,or age

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Ted Striker

                                That's the problem I have with people equating Tandee's husband with some con artist when we don't even know WHY he is considered illegal.
                                Then shouldn't he be detained until the facts and circumstances are known?
                                "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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