LOTR filled with white supremacist innuendo

[axi]

Tolkien is anti-democratic and anti-egalitarian. Men know their 'place', servant-master relations are glorified, particularly all the loyal and dutiful servants (christianity? thou good and loyal servant...), rulership is passed through the Blood, for example if anyone in Tolkien has the blood of numenor, you just know that the odds are they will be more noble, taller, stronger, and fairer skinned than 'fallen' man.

You are right about that and that's what's annoying me most in Tolkien, chiefly in the Silmarillion, where you can see the grand scale of things. If you take the examples of Melkor, Feanor and Turin, they all have in common that they are far more potent than their peers and in addition they are ambitious and rebellious. They will not submit to what they are "supposed to" do. And they will pay for it. Of course one may say that all non-human beings in ME are bound by their fate, and fate in ME is definitely skewed in favor of the "loyal and dutyful servants". Of course this adds another beauty to the masterpiece, since it enhances the tragic element: everybody reading the Silm is actually more or less with the baddies, because they are much more interesting than the others. Man has the ability to shape his own future, so Illuvatar's wish does not matter much, once the 4rth Age commences.

Oh and of course, one can't really understand the beauty of LotR if one hasn't previously read the Silmarillion. This is mostly evident in the last scenes of the trilogy, when everybody leaves for the West...

[hexagonian]

Originally posted by Civfan
In the second movie, my girlfriend pointed it out that theirs no Asians, blacks or indians. Its nieve that the director, producer did not have any roles in these movies for other minorities....Again its fantasy, written a many years before but its no excuse for them to do this.

For better or worse, its a PC world we live in...
...and unfortunately, whoever gets slotted as the bad guy would complain about unfairness.

Originally posted by Civfan
If you take the examples of Melkor, Feanor and Turin, they all have in common that they are far more potent than their peers and in addition they are ambitious and rebellious. They will not submit to what they are "supposed to" do. And they will pay for it. Of course one may say that all non-human beings in ME are bound by their fate, and fate in ME is definitely skewed in favor of the "loyal and dutyful servants". Of course this adds another beauty to the masterpiece, since it enhances the tragic element: everybody reading the Silm is actually more or less with the baddies, because they are much more interesting than the others. Man has the ability to shape his own future, so Illuvatar's wish does not matter much, once the 4rth Age commences.

Agreed - Everyone who sees the movies should read the Silmarillion - a fantastic book and it really adds to the appreciation and understanding of LOTR.

It can be argued that this is an outpouring of Tolkien's Christian faith too. (The Silmarillion greatly parallels the Fall in Genesis) and by the end of the Third Age, (ie our present time) the will of God (Illuvatar) does not matter much in the world. Interesting to note that the pride of both Elves and Man eventually lead to destruction.

Yeah, I know, Tolkien hated allegory, but it can be argued that it still can/will seep into whatever work he creates.

And that is probably going to open another can of worms in the discussion here - Tolkien may be viewed as a religious elitist. (not that I hold to that though)

[Mr. President]

The thing that fired me up in The Silmarillion was that the Numenoreans were expected to do whatever the Valar told them to without question. Even though Men supposedly have the ability to affect their fate "beyond the Music of the Ainur", the Valar still expect them to not use their Iluvatar-given brains.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Civfan
Again its fantasy, written a many years before but its no excuse for them to do this.

People are *****ing about them changing the book enough as is without the director making pointless changes like this one.

[TCO]

Originally posted by MarkG
eeeer Sava how on earth did you think that i actually agreed with the quoted text?

Because he is Faded Glory stupid, Mark. Just slap him a little. Only good thing for him.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Sava


because I'm dumb, slow, and easily confused...

Oops. I take by my comments, since you already were self-deprecatory.

[Evil Knevil]

Its all to do with drugs, fools. Look at the mushroom and weed references.

It's obvious that the Hobbits represent the Hash dealers, being blissful, always hungry and lazy.

Gandolf is denigrated for smoking weed since the Wizards all believe in the hallucigenic 'peak' experiences from the oft-referenced mushrooms. They believe in magic rings (of mushrooms) and massive demons and dragons that chase them around the room ---a bad trip or what?? Saruman allies with Sauron, as he thinks that there still might be a market for shrooms after Sauron becomes the premier dealer in Middle Earth. The alliance of Sauron and Saruman is supposed to an allegory of the Ronnie/Reggie Kray partnership, simular names and all.

The Ring of power represents cocaine. Cocaine makes you feel all powerful and like a master of the universe(hence the whole power trip thing). It is also highly addictive, and sought after(why Boromir etc scream for it, and Frodo starts to get effected by it). Overdoses of the drug give a schizophrenic, deranged illness (Golem), as well as involuntary movement (Frodo).

What the film represents is the return of cocaine onto the marketplace, and all the other dealers of drugs seek to destroy it, before it muscles in on their patch. The heroes must fight against deranged addicts (wraiths) and ganglanders (Orcs) to destroy the recipe forever, and hopefully remove Sauron, the Middle Earth equivilent of John Gotti (or the Krays) from their patches.

Lord of Rings? More like Lord of the Baggies.

[ravagon]

Originally posted by Sten Sture
Saruman is Nazism, the Uruk-hai were the SS; Sauron is Communism, Mordor is the USSR, the black witch of Arnor is Stalin; the elves of Lauthlorien are the French; Gondor is Europe; Aragon is Eisenhower, the Dunedin are the US, and the army of lost souls are Euro emigres to the RSA, NZ, Oz and the States; Harad is Japan; Pippin is the Irish, Merry is the Scots, Sam is the Welsh, and Frodo the English. So somehow the pathetic English midgets win WW2 by throwing a bit of gold in a furnace and the American fighting forces get second billing. Typical.

vg

I think you may be in for a visit from one or two highly offended elves however.

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by Axi
But Melkor went to Numenor and corrupted the Numenorean men and made them so arrogant as to try to attack Valinor.

It was actually Sauron that went to Numenor and corrupted the Numenoreans. Morgoth was chained up outside the earth at the end of the First Age.

You can call me his royal highness, King of the Geeks...