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  • #61
    David Floyd:

    basically the same thing except maybe even more simple... Thomas Jefferson was relatively a libertarian, right? State's rights, personal freedom, free trade, etc... those ideas are pre-marxist and conservative considering the United States was founded on such ideals.
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    • #62
      So libertarian ideals have always existed in the american political culture and are thus, conservative... as opposed to the socialist progressiveness
      "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
      "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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      • #63
        Speer, from an American context, Libertarianism and conservatism are in no way related.

        Conservatives claim to support economic freedom, yet still support taxes, generally support social welfare policies and military spending, and things of that nature. They also claim to support personal freedom, but this is laughable, as they favor laws against homosexuality, drugs, gambling, prostitution, etc., and are often in favor of state sponsored religion and strong police powers.

        Libertarians take a completely opposite position to all of the above, so I fail to see how a conservative can be likened to a Libertarian, politically speaking.
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        • #64
          #1 You are a social liberal. Like all liberals, you believe in individual freedom as a central objective - but you believe that lack of economic opportunity, education, healthcare etc. can be just as damaging to liberty as can an oppressive state. As a result, social liberals are generally the most outspoken defenders of human rights and civil liberties, and combine this with support for a mixed economy, with an enabling state providing public services to ensure that people's social rights as well as their civil liberties are upheld.
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          #2 You are a market liberal. You adhere to the traditional liberal belief in freedom, and take this to mean negative rather than positive freedom - i.e. a slimmed-down state is the best guarantor of freedom. You will therefore support a laissez-faire economic policy, and you will be reasonably tolerant on the social front - though less emphatically so than social liberals.
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          #3 You adhere to the Third Way. The Third Way is a fairly nebulous concept, but it rests on the idea of combining economic efficiency - i.e. a market economy with some intervention - with social responsibility. The focus is emphatically on the community as a whole, and not necessarily equality per se. Adherents of the Third Way range from moderate to conservative in their social views, and have recently been willing to take a "tough" line on a range of social issues.
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          #4 You are a libertarian conservative. You hold that the free market is the best way of organising economic activity, but you combine this with adherence to more traditional social values of authority and duty.
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          #5 You are a social democrat. Like other socialists, you believe in a more economically equal society - but you have jettisoned any belief in the idea of the planned economy. You believe in a mixed economy, where the state provides certain key services and where the productivity of the market is harnessed for the good of society as a whole. Many social democrats are hard to distinguish from social liberals, and they share a tolerant social outlook.
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          #6 You are an anarcho-capitalist. Anarcho-capitalists take the Jeffersonian belief that "that government is best which governs least", and extend it - "that government is best which governs not at all". The theory of anarcho-capitalism is that the market can replace the state as a regulator of individual behaviour (resulting in private courts, private policing etc.).
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          #7 You are an ecologist or green. You believe that the single greatest challenge of our time is the threat to our natural environment, and you feel that radical action must be taken to protect it - whether in the enlightened self-interest of humanity (in the tradition of 'shallow ecologism') or, more radically, from the perspective of the ecosystem as a whole, without treating humans as the central species (deep ecologism).
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          #8 You are a Christian democrat - or, in the UK, a "One Nation conservative"; in other words, although you share the usual conservative belief in stability and duty, you believe that such duties include a responsibility on the part of the better-off to help those who are less fortunate. You will be socially conservative, but in favour of a mixed economy where the state does have a role in providing public services. Christian democracy arose after World War II, succeeding more doctrinaire Catholic parties dating from the 1870s.
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          #9 You are a classical socialist, believing in equality of outcome as a principle. This might mean greater equality (e.g. Old Labour), or as close to absolute equality as possible. However, you will believe in an extensive public sector, covering not just public services (transport, healthcare etc.) but probably also the 'commanding heights' of industry (e.g. iron and steel). Your views on personal morality will be reasonably tolerant, in general, but there is considerable variation within this political group.
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          #10 You are a communist. You believe, at least in theory, in absolute equality of income - and you oppose the whole capitalist system per se. You want to abolish the market economy and replace it with one in which the workers (usually meaning the state) control the building blocks of the economy. Your views on personal morality will vary; traditional communists tended to be more authoritarian, while modern "eurocommunists" tend to take a liberal line.
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          #11 You are a fascist. You combine a strong belief in the nation with authoritarian social values, and a willingness to impose your views upon others. You strongly oppose immigration, and are willing to take radical action to combat it.
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          #12 You are an anarcho-communist, aiming for a society without the state, based on small, decentralised groups living communally.
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          • #65
            1 Social Liberal
            2 Social Democrat
            3 Ecologist/Green
            4 Market Liberal
            5 Anarcho-Capitalist
            6 Third Way
            7 Classical Socialist
            8 Communist
            9 Anarcho-Comunist
            10 Christian Democrat
            11 Libertarian Conservative
            12 Fascist
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            • #66
              1 Anarcho-capitalist
              2 Libertarian/conservative
              3 Market liberal
              4 Fascist (LOL, because I thought marriage was better than cohabitation of any kind?)
              5 Social liberal (so close to fascist?)

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Berzerker
                4 Fascist (LOL, because I thought marriage was better than cohabitation of any kind?)
                5 Social liberal (so close to fascist?)
                Doesn't mean they are close, just that you are near centre between the two.
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                • #68
                  #1 You are a Christian democrat
                  #2 You are a libertarian conservative.
                  #3 You are a social democrat. (first three expected)
                  #4 You are an ecologist or green
                  #5 You adhere to the Third Way.
                  #6 You are a fascist. (hmm, a bit high)
                  #7 You are a social liberal.
                  #8 You are a market liberal. (seems a bit low)
                  #9 You are a classical socialist,
                  #10 You are an anarcho-capitalist.
                  #11 You are a communist.
                  #12 You are an anarcho-communist,

                  Seems like I am closest to Slowwhand so far.
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                  • #69
                    Doesn't mean they are close, just that you are near centre between the two.
                    Not sure how I could be between the two when they were 4 and 5 on my list.

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                    • #70
                      #1You are an anarcho-communist
                      #2 You are a communist
                      #3 You are an ecologist or green
                      #4 You are a classical socialist
                      #5 You are a social democrat
                      #6 You are a social liberal
                      #7 You adhere to the Third Way
                      #8 You are a fascist
                      #9 You are an anarcho-capitalist
                      #10 You are a Christian democrat
                      #11 You are a market liberal
                      #12 You are a libertarian conservative

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                      • #71
                        #1 Christian democrat
                        #2 libertarian conservative
                        #3 market liberal
                        #4 social liberal
                        #5 Third Way
                        #6 anarcho-capitalist
                        #7 social democrat
                        #8 green
                        #9 fascist
                        #10 classical socialist
                        #11 communist
                        #12 anarcho-communist

                        I'll leave it for others to say if this is an accurrate description of me.
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                        • #72
                          i clicked on the link and a hell of pop ups ensuied. i frantically started to close them all, including, apparently the window with the survey. and im not clicking on it again.

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                          • #73
                            1. Green
                            2. Communist
                            3. Classical Socialist
                            4. Social Democrat
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                            .
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                            10. Facist
                            11. Anarcho-capitalist
                            12. Libertarian Conservative (sucks)

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by DinoDoc
                              #1 Christian democrat
                              #2 libertarian conservative
                              #3 market liberal
                              #4 social liberal
                              #5 Third Way
                              #6 anarcho-capitalist
                              #7 social democrat
                              #8 green
                              #9 fascist
                              #10 classical socialist
                              #11 communist
                              #12 anarcho-communist

                              I'll leave it for others to say if this is an accurrate description of me.
                              #2= DD

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                              • #75
                                It seems to me that this poll pinpointed rather accurately everyone's stances.
                                urgh.NSFW

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