Torture of detainees by the US?

[Solly]

And besides, we're talking about an innocent journalist who was kidnapped for political ends and comparing that to terrorists arrested in order to stop them murdering another few thousands innocents.

But of course, you want them released because it'd probably be Americans they attacked and that's alright by you fairy liberals.

[Solly]

Originally posted by red_jon
Umm, no they arent.

Liberals.

[Pekka]

I'm strongly against torture of any kind. I don't think this is the case here. I don't see the problem with heat. However I see a small problem with blocking all the senses, can't see, can't hear, for longer periods. Don't know how long they were subjected to this and I'm not a psychologist, but I think longer than 24h would damage mental health pretty badly. I don't think they were treated this way for so long.

I also believe moral high ground is important. And I also think US hasn't lost it.. at least not yet. We'll see what the future brings, but I wasn't shocked at the pictures in papers. So they were in small cages. Look at the prisoners in normal prisons in the US... they have it even worse. Not an excuse of course, but.. I don't see the problem yet.

[red_jon]

I think you'll find the vast majority of them come form the middle-east. The Britons held there were also of ethnic origin.

[Pekka]

And for 'the enemy is using it too, we have to fight them with that' is not for my beliefs. If you lower yourself to the same methods, well then you're no better. Who gives a crap about motives, or who started it first.

But I have to say I'm curious.. let's pretend American group strikes here.. and we label it as terrorist act of war.. could we fly there and kidnap the group and bring back here if the US gov won't arrest them? Just a thought, not meant to be provocation of any kind.. but I'd say no chance in hell.

[Solly]

That doesn't mean they aren't white.

[Pekka]

To be more exact, if you use terror tactics, then you're terrorist. No matter what it says in your passport.

[Solly]

To us, Croatian is ethnic origin Red Jon, so I suppose Croats aren't white either!

[Jaakko]

Pekka - the situation here is worse than what happened in Guantanamo, where IIRC the sensory deprivation was only during transportation. Now they're using sensory deprivation, long periods of standing in painful positions and sleep deprivation as punishment for not cooperating. They may also be beaten. It's a clear attempt at breaking a prisoner's will by inflicting physical and/or mental suffering. If that's not torture, then I don't know what is.

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According to most left-wing organisations Irish people are black...

[red_jon]

Boddington's, you're using a pathetic line of arguing. Shall we argue about the skin tones of the aerage middle-eastern male? I think it's safe to say it isn't white.

And I would never wish torture upon anyone based on nationality or colour.

[Pekka]

Jaakko, well.. if those are 100% true, then those would count as torture. Depends how severely they are forced of course. Those are pretty well known, like too little or no food, denial of medical attention etc.
I don't know the case too good here, I though we were talking about Guantamo...

[Solly]

Originally posted by red_jon
Boddington's, you're using a pathetic line of arguing. Shall we argue about the skin tones of the aerage middle-eastern male? I think it's safe to say it isn't white.

And I would never wish torture upon anyone based on nationality or colour.

No, but you're getting inflamed at a few terrorists having a bit of rough treatment, whereas when innocent Pearl was kidnapped, you had nothing to say on the matter, either because he was white or because he was American. Probably both.

This is another thing about pansy liberals, they hate themselves for being white.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Boddington's


No, but you're getting inflamed at a few terrorists having a bit of rough treatment, whereas when innocent Pearl was kidnapped, you had nothing to say on the matter, either because he was white or because he was American. Probably both.

This is another thing about pansy liberals, they hate themselves for being white.

Umm, maybe because I wasn't posting on poly at the time, ya dumbass.

And if over 100 counts as 'a few', then you have severe vocabulary problems.

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Damnit, they aren't liberals...