Torture of detainees by the US?

[Asher]

Originally posted by red_jon
No, the pictures taken at camp x-ray, of the Muslims being forced to stand in those suits.

Standing in suits is torture?

Well, it covers computer hackers apparently...

It certainly can, it can cover anyone depending what you're doing with your skills.

For example, if someone hacked into a hospital system and screwed with everyone's records resulting in many deaths, they would be a terrorist..

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Asher

Standing in suits is torture?

Read the article. They were full, heavy body suits, in cuban heat, with the wearers unable to see or hear anyone around them. I'd say that counts as torture...

It certainly can, it can cover anyone depending what you're doing with your skills.

For example, if someone hacked into a hospital system and screwed with everyone's records resulting in many deaths, they would be a terrorist..

But the people held in Cuba were soldiers, surely - they were fighting an opposing army, not civilians...

[Asher]

Originally posted by red_jon
Read the article. They were full, heavy body suits, in cuban heat, with the wearers unable to see or hear anyone around them. I'd say that counts as torture...

Definitely wouldn't be comfortable but it's hardly torture.

Torture is taking a sledge hammer to your hand to get you to talk.

But the people held in Cuba were soldiers, surely - they were fighting an opposing army, not civilians...

The people held in Cube are Taliban and al Qaeda...They're not all "soldiers", and even then, they're hardly your typical "soldiers" now aren't they...

[monkspider]

I'm sure that you would change your tune if you were submitted to such conditions Ashie.
There is no room for sadistic treatment of other human beings, anywhere, ever, period. Whether or not the Taliban troops were bad people is completely irrelevent. Besides, I would say they were probably no better or worse than the average American solider in that they were simply fighting to protect their homeland.

[Imran Siddiqui]

monkspider... standing in the heat isn't torture and has never been labeled as such.

[Asher]

Originally posted by monkspider
I'm sure that you would change your tune if you were submitted to such conditions Ashie.

I lived in a house in a valley in California without air conditioning for two years, I know how exhausting and uncomfortable heat can be.

It's still not torture. By red_jon's logic, the Canadian government is torturing our guards who need to stand outside certain government buildings in those ridiculous costumes and hats, not moving for hours on end in the summer heat.

[monkspider]

Imran, it wasn't just standing in heat. As RJ mentioned earlier: "Read the article. They were full, heavy body suits, in cuban heat, with the wearers unable to see or hear anyone around them."
I suppose it depends on your level of compassion for fellow human beings, but I think that this can objectively seen as a form of torture, by nearly any standards. Without question, this removes any last remnants of "humanity" that world may have mistakenly believed the United States to possess.

[Imran Siddiqui]

monkspider, that isn't torture by ANY standards. Its routine to attempt to break down the spirit in interrogation.

REAL torture should not be done, but I don't see any of that here.

[Shi Huangdi]

I hate to see things like this going on, but if it can help save American lives and hurt Al Queda then I am for it.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
monkspider, that isn't torture by ANY standards. Its routine to attempt to break down the spirit in interrogation.

REAL torture should not be done, but I don't see any of that here.

5 entries found for torture.
tor·ture ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tôrchr)
n.

Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain.
Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.
Something causing severe pain or anguish.

Sounds like torture to me....

I hate to see things like this going on, but if it can help save American lives and hurt Al Queda then I am for it.

It could easily be used for propaganda:

"Look at what evil Americans do to our myarters: < picture > Join the fight against the American and Israeli infidels! Blah blah blah blah blah....."

That would, considering the state of "love for America" in the middle east, hurt America and help Al Qaeda.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
5 entries found for torture.
tor·ture ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tôrchr)
n.

Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain.
Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.
Something causing severe pain or anguish.

Sounds like torture to me....

Perhaps you should pay close attention to the qualifiers I've bolded for you.

[Shi Huangdi]

"
"Look at what evil Americans do to our myarters: < picture > Join the fight against the American and Israeli infidels! Blah blah blah blah blah.....""

If they see those people as martyers they aren't going to be with us anyway.

And by the way Tassadar Russia has been pretty brutal too in it's dealings with Islamic militants in Chechnya.

[Nubclear]

If they see those people as martyers they aren't going to be with us anyway.

That comment is so full of ignorance I see no need to reply.

And by the way Tassadar Russia has been pretty brutal too in it's dealings with Islamic militants in Chechnya.

Though Russia isn't the subject (And is actually a fallacious arguement - red herring. Of course your so full of fallacious arguements that pointing out one would definately not do justice.) I agree with you.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Asher

Perhaps you should pay close attention to the qualifiers I've bolded for you.

1) I imagine that wearing a heavy suite in Cuban heat would be quite a bit of torture.

2) "Severe" depends on the person. Who knows, some of them might not feel any pain at all. Some people might consider sitting down and cozying up to a loved one "severe" pain.

[Static Universe]

They utilize these methods because they leave very little in the way of physical evidence. I can imagine that putting someone in these suits is pretty much equivilent to locking them in a metal box in the hot sun, which is generally considered torture.

This was an interesting quote:

"If you don't violate someone's human rights some of the time, you probably aren't doing your job," said one official who has supervised the capture and transfer of accused terrorists. "I don't think we want to be promoting a view of zero tolerance on this. That was the whole problem for a long time with the CIA."


Anybody else ever felt this was a problem with the CIA?