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    CARACAS, Venezuela (Reuters) -- Several hundred thousand foes of Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez marched through Caracas on Saturday to demand his resignation after the leftist leader rejected U.S. calls for early elections to end feuding over his rule of the world's No. 5 oil exporter.

    Chanting, singing and blowing whistles, protesters streamed through the Venezuelan capital as they converged on wealthy eastern Caracas, where they massed on a major highway in a fluttering sea of flags.

    The embattled populist president, facing a protracted opposition strike that has crippled the nation's vital oil industry and rattled markets, has repeatedly dismissed opposition demands he step down and call an immediate vote.

    "We are marching for the freedom of Venezuela. The country has stopped and said enough. But he doesn't want to accept it, he doesn't want to accept reality," said Jolly Bermudez, an aerobics instructor, taking part in the march.

    His opponents blame Chavez for pushing Venezuela into recession and political chaos with his autocratic style and left-wing reforms he says help the poor. They have threatened to keep up the strike until the president resigns.

    The White House, stepping up international pressure on the former paratrooper, on Friday said early elections were the only viable solution to Venezuela's turmoil. The South American nation supplies about one-sixth of U.S. oil imports.

    But Chavez, who was elected in 1998 and survived a coup in April, dismissed the U.S. call. He says the constitution only allows for a binding referendum on his mandate in August 2003. He accuses his foes of trying topple his government.

    "There are no early elections planned here. ... I don't think that the United States government is suggesting to the world that Venezuela must break with its constitution just to satisfy the pretensions of coup mongers," he told CNN en Espanol, a sister network to CNN.com.

    But a senior U.S. State Department official, visiting Caracas to meet with the government and opposition, underscored the White House position with a warning that Venezuela could slip deeper into turmoil without a swift solution.

    "We need some kind of early elections. What they are, only the Venezuelans can decide," said Thomas Shannon, U.S. deputy assistant secretary for the Western Hemisphere. "If a political solution is not found, we could be on the edge of some kind of social confrontation," he told reporters Saturday.

    Battle of wills over oil

    Since April, when rebel officers briefly ousted Chavez in a chaotic uprising, international mediators have struggled to bring the two sides together to discuss an electoral solution.

    Violent street clashes, frequent political rallies and a daily war of words between government and opposition have kept tensions running high in Venezuela more than eight months after the short-lived coup.

    Responding to Chavez's comments, U.S. officials made clear Washington felt elections were necessary before the August referendum date. "It's not sufficient for the government to sit on institutional legitimacy when the country is at risk," said one official, who asked not to be identified.

    After his landslide electoral victory on promises to ease poverty, the president's popularity has dropped sharply. But many poorer voters still see his policies as key to reversing the neglect and corruption of previous governments.

    The opposition, an alliance of political parties, unions, civil groups and business leaders, accuse Chavez of autocratic rule. They blame his fiery rhetoric for fueling hatred between the social classes.

    "Either the president resigns to facilitate a solution or we fix a date that can't be beyond the start of next year for presidential elections," said Alejandro Armas, an opposition negotiator in talks with the government chaired by Organization of American States Secretary General Cesar Gaviria.

    The opposition strike, which began on December 2, has brought the oil industry to a standstill and sent Venezuelans rushing to stock up on food and gasoline.

    The shutdown has worsened the nation's already bleak economic outlook. Battered by recession, the economy has contracted more than 6 percent so far this year.

    But with striking oil tankers moored offshore and oil output at less than a third, the shutdown has become a battle of wills over the petroleum sector, which accounts for about half the government's revenues.

    The president insists the shutdown has been a failure and blames dissident oil executives at the state oil firm PDVSA for trying to destabilize the nation. But strike leaders dismiss the president's claim he can restart the industry.
    I'm suprised that we haven't had any threads on the subject given the uproar the last time he was over thrown. Do you think that Chavez's rule will out last this latest uprising?
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  • #2
    Western media do not publicise the fact that, along with the opposition demonstrations, there are enormous demonstrations of Chavez's supporters who demand that the people responsible for the April coup be arrested and the workers be allowed take over control of the industries that participate in the strike under orders of their management.

    Chavez's probelm is exactly that he hesitates: he has proclaimed an agenda to help the poor, but has not done much in that direction, because the rich have raised hell on him and are sabotaging the national economy. If this continues, he will soon be at odds with many of his supporters and the popular base that elected him. There is no other solution for Venezuela but either submission to the old status quo and the bourgeois, or class war and revolutionary measures. The bourgeois themselves won't have it otherwise.

    Chavez must arm the people now, before he ends up like Allende.

    Chavez amigo, el pueblo esta contigo!
    "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
    George Orwell

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    • #3
      Arm the people. Spoken like a true anarchist.
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      • #4
        Chavez is a fool. His popularity is dipping below 20%. BTW, Axi, the idiot in power has no support. The Army may say they will try to stop the riots on both sides, but that really isn't the case. The entire high command is not satisified with a leftist populist fool like him who has attempted to bring the military in political affairs.

        The rich have raised hell on him? From what? The idiot himself, Chavez, sabotaged the economy! TAKE THAT YOU LITTLE ANARCHIST HOTSHOT. I hope the end results in a paramilitary right-wing military dictatorship because that is what Venezuela needs.

        Axi, you speak like some ignorant people I know. Unlike you I actually have been to these countries and I have read the newspapers on the politics. The left is just hot-air.

        BTW, do you know anything about Latin American politics, axi? Because apparently you know nothing.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #5
          oh praise the lord, fez has arrived to grace with his infinate wisdom.

          this has been getting a fair amount of coverage on the bbc, espeically the world service. difficult to say whether chavez will be able to outlast this, the oil strike is seriously hurting the economy, despite strong measures by the government against strikers (troops have boarded ships with striking crews). my gut feeling though is that he will be able to get through this, he does still have a lot of supporters and he could call on and arm the 'boliverean circles' if things got too hot.

          personally i think the best thing would be to have an early election and hopefully see chavez replaced with a more moderate government, this chances of that happening, peacefully at any rate, seem pretty remote though
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          • #6
            Originally posted by axi
            Chavez must arm the people now, before he ends up like Allende.

            Chavez amigo, el pueblo esta contigo!
            How about an election axi unless of course you wanna get off your ass and go help out Chavez and share the pain and suffering that arming the people will do.
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            • #7
              I don't know why they can't wait for an August referendum. Only 8 months away.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #8
                Fez, the Latin American right is just as full of hot air as the left.

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                • #9
                  Not to mention that the Latin American right has enough blood on its hands to last a few lifetimes.
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                  • #10
                    *nods*

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                    • #11
                      The reason the opposition doesn't want to wait until August is that if they had to test their hypothesis democratically (that Chavez is opposed by the majority), it is likely they would be proven false. Opposition to Chavez is overwhelmingly among the the upper and middle classes. His support is among the poor and working classes of Venezuela, who are in the majority.

                      The longer the current situation goes on, the worse it makes Chavez look, which undermines his chances for surviving a referendum. Chavez needs to make a decisive decision: either resign or crack down on the strike. The oppositition is pushing Venzuela towards civil war. If they can't have the whole thing, they're willing to split the baby.
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                      • #12
                        Sorry chegitz, even the support from the working class is declining. His popularity ratings are no better than 30%. There is no way Chavez can survive a referendum.

                        Awrence, I don´t like any politicans here, left or right. The only one I have ever praised was Uribe (Colombia). But not in any of the other countries... I mean even the right in Ecuador for example was corrupt, but the left was more corrupt. I don´t like either. So why bring it up?
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #13
                          Obviously right wing dictators are the way forward in South America, they have done tremendously well whenever thay have been in power
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TheStinger
                            Obviously right wing dictators are the way forward in South America, they have done tremendously well whenever thay have been in power
                            Even I disagree with that. Most of them are too foolish to do anything right. But not as foolish as the left down here.

                            The only Latin American country that had a good dictator was Chile. That is why Chile is doing so well today and has avoided getting hit by the Argentine crisis. Even the current center-left government is not bad.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #15
                              I wasn'r being serious.

                              Tin pot dictators of whatever political persuassion are bad

                              Chile is doing well now because it is democratic, and the army no longer interfere.
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