Sex changes should be made illegal

[Asher]

Originally posted by Zylka
You can't mind your own f*cking business in a matter as dangerous as this. Do we mind own f*cking business when someone is murdered?

Murder infringes on the rights of others...
Changing one's sex does not...

Sex changes are up to the people who want them, and not up to you because you wouldn't ever consider it.

Your assertion that it hurts "future partners" is patently ridiculous.

[Zylka]

Originally posted by LulThyme
Thats were the argument should be.
Im not pro sex-change either.
But thats beside the point.
the point is wheter we consider it dangerous enough a practice in general to make it a social choice and not a personnal choice.
Personnaly i definetly find it a private matter, and though I wouldnt do it, or like anybody I know to do it, I consider it their choice.
But this is not about being for or against it.
Zylka, why do you put it in the same category as murder (Im not saying there are no negatives, just which ones are bad enough so that nobody could do it)
how are they immoral? and disrespectful to the society
what about changing your skin color for example? or other bodily functions maybe?

I was exaggerating in putting it on terms with murder, but only to make a point. I would rather liken it to rape. A young girl loses her virginity to a "man" she has put trust in over the past few months, only to later find out that that man was previously a woman (and IMO - is neither now). This should be taken as seriously as rape, and the offender charged and sent to jail for several years.

As for changing your skin color, that is on the same level as tatooing. It would look absolutely ridiculous for someone to do, and I would have no problems making fun of them for it - but they have not changed their essential function as a human being. Changing other bodily functions in the name of cosmetics is just as disgusting as a sex change - but I fail to see any other methods so subversive on others around us.

[Asher]

Give me a ****ing break...

You have a beef with dishonesty.

You can't ban the procedure on the basis that they MAY lie about it to future partners.

You sound like you're just pissed off because you just had sex with a butch woman and realized that his name is Fred.

[Zylka]

It was no wonder who was going to use that trite little stab first - well done, origininalicus.

Untold sex with someone who has had the procedure is to rape what untold sex with someone who has HIV is potential murder.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Zylka
It was no wonder who was going to use that trite little stab first - well done, origininalicus.

It's unoriginal because it's blatantly obvious to most people reading this.

[Jon Miller]

I would feel violated

Jon Miller

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Asher
Give me a ****ing break...

You have a beef with dishonesty.

You can't ban the procedure on the basis that they MAY lie about it to future partners.

You sound like you're just pissed off because you just had sex with a butch woman and realized that his name is Fred.

Oh, and they will lie about it to future partners, no doubt. No one is going to go anywhere with you after gaining that kind of knowledge, sex for the sex changed is an impossibility with telling the truth.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I would feel violated

Jon Miller

Hey, so would I. Well, probably not as much as you, seeing as you're a Christian heterosexual.

But that doesn't mean you should ban the procedure.

Perhaps you should be more selective in the future and find an honest partner...

And Zylka's assertion that "most" don't tell partners is extremely laughable. Even after operations, it's not hard to tell if they had a sex change or not in most cases. They're FAR from perfect.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Zylka
Oh, and they will lie about it to future partners, no doubt. No one is going to go anywhere with you after gaining that kind of knowledge, sex for the sex changed is an impossibility with telling the truth.

Nonsense, there are many people who have long lasting relationships even though one of them had a sex change.

It was on CBC's Documentary (11pm Sundays) a couple weeks ago actually.

[Theben]

Re: Sex changes should be made illegal

Originally posted by Zylka
Ahh, what a disgusting and sordid little ball of rock and water we live on - one in which certain animals have come to a point in self manipulation that they might change their natural and spiritual essence of being for worse on a whim of camp and deviance.

Here are the basic, concrete, just and undeniable truths on the subject:

-Sex changes are IMMORAL and disrespectful both to society and one's self
-Sex changes are drastic and misguided attempts at dealing with severe self-esteem problems - these obstacles should be met with therapy and even medication before something as perverse as this
-Sex changes not only hold the participant as victim, but their future partners, almost always unaware that their "boyfriend" or "girlfriend" has undergone the transformation
-Many liken sex changes to other human practises of body art - ie) piercing, tatoos and plastic surgery. This is a grossly simplistic method of association propoganda - as the real procedures of body art do not severely mutilate a body's natural function
-In the event that the natural functions mentioned are crippled and in serious need of repair (from birth and/or deformities in natural growth) - sex changes should be allowed. Yet it must be noted that these occasions are extremely few, and that the use of a sex change should only be as last resort, and never cosmetic

So, all I'm asking is that you show your dissapointment for this barbaric procedure, the doctors who perform them, and the patients who need real help

As previously stated, the victims of this ridiculous practise reach far beyond what the advocate would argue

Yeah, but whateryagonna do?

[Jon Miller]

Hi Theben!!

Jon Miller

[Zylka]

I pity one who bases reality on the odd novelty article shown on liberal CBC, of all channels. Of course a lasting relationship is possible, but you must (as usual) consider the majority norm in this group. The real world media is saturated with horror reports of what I've explained. A sex changed individual is one full of the aforementioned chicanery in relationships - and that is another concrete truth.

[Asher]

Zylka, can you explain something to me?

If a someone has sex with a person who has had a sex change, and can't tell that they have had a sex change, and this person won't tell (as you've asserted) -- how the hell would the other person find out?

[Zylka]

You've stumbled upon the worst possible outcome which quite probably happens the most often. Charming, no?

[Asher]

So what you're saying is you have no possible explanation for how they'd find out?