Should Russia Break Apart Into Smaller Units.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by DaShi


WHat?!! How long have they been going out? Why am I always the last to know about these things?

Shhhhhhhh their parents would never approve. I think China caught the US in bed with Israel and that was the last straw. Or maybe it was that look Taiwan gave the US at the dance.


Sorry you guys may continue now.

[Serb]

Serb: Omsk is famous.

I thought it’s famous because of Czechs playing in my home city hockey team. Where 2002 ( 2001?) Stanley Cup winner Irzhy Slegar is playing now among with multiply Olympic and World champions Martin Prohazka and Pavel Patera and because of former coach of Nagano’s Czech Olympic team when they won Gold leaving Russia with Silver Ivan Glinka who train my home city team now, but because of movie about WW3?

Y'all have never seen Dr. Strangelove?

No, only read his posts
I really never saw it. Do you recommend it? I guess it should be very funny considering your quote.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Bas
Just out of curiosity: what Russian regions actually have a strong independence movement (ie at least a significant minority in favour of secession), besides Chechnya?

None. Right after fell of SU Tatarstan had, but I guess they calmed down a bit right now. Perhaps they realized that they are located in the middle of Russia and their separatist’s movement looks a bit silly.

[Serb]

A lot of your problems could be resolved by a reorganization of your system. You guys have to find a way to dump the old Soviet system of giving automomy and special rights to some and not others. Set every region as equals under a central government. Give everyone the same stake in the central government.

Absolutely agreed, it would be much easier in this case. But the problem is that people of 192 nationalities iirc, consider Russia as their home and if we’ll make a new division f.e. like in USA- instead of 89 regions Russia currently have, will divide it on 50 states in dependence of geographic location, then I’m 100% sure that people who live in national republics will consider this as an attempt to destroy their culture, language, etc and they wouldn’t like it. Leaders of those regions are pretty happy to enjoy reduced taxes and various support programs from federal budget and there is no way they will ratify such division in senate. So, I don’t see how it could be solved. It’s very complicated problem. Perhaps the only way to solve it is a new constitution and referendum about this question, but I guess it wouldn’t happen in nearest future. Perhaps after 15-30 years?

The decision then becomes do you force a region to submit for just your benifit. If you do, then be honest about it and don't pretend it's for the little Chechens own good.

Oh, perhaps Russia is the only country, which have problems with separatists? What about others? What IRA fights for? Basques? Perhaps Quebec doesn’t want independence? etc, etc. Let them win too? Or it’s only Russia that should disintegrate because you guys don’t like, while other countries that experience problems with separatists should remain solid?
If yes- only Russia should do this, then fine, really great logic- very honest, fair and without any sign of hypocrisy


If no- let them all go, then could you guaranty that growing Spanish speaking population in your country wouldn’t declare independence within next say 15-20 years? How about them?

As for- “good for little Chechens”
Their current president Ahmad Kadyrov during first war fought VS. Russians, many people who fought vs. Russians during first war, before 1996, today serve in Chechen police and among with Russians fight vs. Maskhadov (who call himself president of Chechnya, the guy who planed and gave order to took hostages in Nord-Ost musical) and his bandits. Never ask yourself why? Why those people changed their views and today fight among Russians (their former enemies in near past) vs. people whom calling themselves “government of independent Chechnya”?
Hint: They are not freedom fighter, but bandits and Islamic religious extremists who during 1996-1999 established Islamic Fundamentalist state with inhuman laws, flooded Chechnya with foreign mercenaries and preachers of Vahhabite teachings (Taliban’s preachers mostly) and piss off local population so much, that people who fought for independence of Chechnya during first war, today fight together with Russians against those bastards.
Today it isn’t about independence of Chechnya. Today it’s about war against religious extremists and terrorists.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Seeker
Suffering is the Russian's natural condition. He can't understand any other way of life. The Russian submerges his Self in the 'great ocean' and thus is able to stolidly endure anything. They'll get over it, and it would be in the interests of freedom anyway.

You sound like some Stalinists here- Russians needs “strong arm”- because a suffering is a natural condition for Russians, they can endure everything… and the same bull****.
We over-fulfilled our plan for suffering by 1000% in last century. We are very patient and endure people, but everything has its limits, including our tolerance for suffering. We are humans after all, not some kind of machines.

[Evil Knevil]

Of course, if you'd dominated your 'wild east', as much as the Americans dominated their 'wild west' there wouldn't be this issue

[RGBVideo]

Give It All To Finland

Please!

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[Serb]

Of course, if you'd dominated your 'wild east', as much as the Americans dominated their 'wild west' there wouldn't be this issue

Nice troll.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Tuomerehu


Please!

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Aha…and let you steal our Baikal- the largest non-salt lake on this planet?
Keep dreaming

[Heresson]

Of course it should be divided.

[Gangerolf]

it should be divided equally between finland, norway and mongolia

[Lonestar]

I say yes, with the provision that the Kuriles go to Japan, and Kamchatka goes to Alaska.

[Serb]

Just for you guys, latest example of Soviet art- it called "no f*cking way" or smth like this.

[Serb]

Heresson, this one is personaly for you Should I translate it?

[Propaganda]